Sounds as if Kittle is out for this game and Williams will likely play. Can Eric Saubert step up and fill some of that void? I think he can in the run game but doubt he can contribute too much in the passing game other than PassPro. Feels like a CMC all purpose game with 20+ touches. Get him and Deebo in the backfield with some 21 personnel and mix some screens in with a little play action. Tyrice Knight is the LB Shanahan will target for his own abusement. 49ers' playoff chances with a win: 71%, with a loss?: 40%. I liked the Niners by two scores prior to the news that Kittle would not play, but I'm leaning towards a much tighter game now. Niners keep their playoff hopes alive by winning 24-20. Go Niners!!
The 49ers inactives against Seattle: George Kittle (hamstring) Kevin Givens (groin) Joshua Dobbs Charvarius Ward (personal) Ronnie Bell Ben Bartch Khalil Davis
Pound the rock, stop self destructing. Niners should win this one going away.
ReplyDeleteIt's obviously becoming clear that the 49ers will need to find a TE next year to groom for Kittle's eventual retirement. Two weeks ago I mentioned Tyler Warren from Penn St. as a possible 2-3rd pick. He's now looking like a late 1st to early 2nd pick which the 49ers won't touch. But a serious need for another TE is there.
ReplyDeleteAES
ReplyDeleteI took issue with you're post that TE, Tyler Warren would be drafted in the 2nd, or 3rd Rd, for the following reasons:
#1) I believe he'll be invited to NY for the Heisman Trophy ceremony and will move up draft boards to the mid - late 1st round.
#2) He's one of the best, and most versatile, players in college football. He has played 5 positions this season in Penn State's offense, scoring TD's on the ground and through the air. He did both again Saturday against Purdue, catching a 15-yard TD pass in the 1st half and rushing for a 48-yard score from the Wildcat in the 2nd.
#3) Warren entered the Purdue game ranked among the top 4
TE's nationally in 7 offensive categories, including receptions, yards, yards per catch and first-down catch %. That doesn't include what he does in the run game. Warren has rushed for 4 touchdowns, becoming just the 7th tight end since 1956 to achieve that.
How much does Penn St value him in its run game? He has carried the ball 16 times this season, producing 13 first downs and four TD's. Against Purdue, he gained 8 yards on 4th-and-short.
OUT OF CURIOSITY, I LOOKED UP WARRENS ACHIEVEMENTS:
* The TD reception was his 16th, tying Pat Freiernuth for the Penn State record for a TE.
* Warren has 1,414 career receiving yards, which ranks 2nd for a Penn State TE behind Mike Gesicki (1,481).
* Warren leads all Big 10 TE's with 7 TD's. 4 are rushing TD's.
Warren has scored 22 career TD's, a Penn State record among TE's.
* Warren has a 26-game catch streak and has at least one reception of 14+ yards in his last 16 games.
* Warren ranks 15th all-time on Penn State's receptions list (116). His 67-catch season (with 2 season games remaining) ranks 6th all-time at Penn State.
Jackson Hawes, TE, Georgia Tech is the one!
ReplyDeleteRazor,
DeleteI tried looking up his YouTube highlights and couldn't find anything. Do you know of another sports online provider to find his highlights?
Nah, he's a day 3 prospect I watched play last week.
DeleteRazor / AES
DeleteA BETTER IDEA? How about JL tries to sign TE Blake Bell? He's the F/A TE that JL tried to signed for the 2024 season. Instead of signing with the 49ers, he signed a 1 year contract with Dallas for $1.7 Mil., including a signing bonus of $45OK
So Williams is likely. My question now is, is he limited?
ReplyDeleteYup, he's been a bullet up the draft boards of late. The 49ers will need to look elsewhere for Kittle's heir-apparent because Warren will not be in their draft radius. I still think that the 49ers also need to look for Juzcyzek's replacement.
ReplyDeleteReply to GEEP ^
ReplyDeleteAES
DeleteIf the 9ers can't beat Seattle at Levi, I question who they can beat? Can they beat GB at FB? The Bills at the Bills? Miami
at Miami? The Lions at Levi?
The only team I have confidence that the 9ers can beat, are
the Bears....So maybe I'm wrong? The way they're playing, the 9ers could be in a position to draft TE, Tyler Warren?
COLOR ME......S A D!
I am sorry, but this offense is broken man! This much talent, a good QB, and you can't score more than 7 in the half? Lame.O
ReplyDeleteKyle is going to die by the sword, won't make ST a focus, and he's obsessed with CMC, while Mason is still a 5.1 YPV back! It makes ZERO sense! You guys see it ... I know you do!
DeleteI don't care if they scratch and gnaw.
ReplyDeleteJust make the playoffs, baby!
Purdy's decision making MUST improve.
ReplyDeleteCould you explain which decisions you are referring to.
DeleteEvery game is a SLOGG Like going to the dentist, and sitting in the waiting room!
ReplyDeleteI try to tell you guys, way to often it's up to the defense, because the offense is a mess! This offense is kind of lame! The power football that they were playing with Mason and Guerrendo, .... gone. Replaced by a RB with chronic issues.
ReplyDeleteThis sh_t is LAME
Ladies a gentlemen .... KYLE SHANAHAN!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteSo much for the blow out. Seattle came to play. Just missing too many guys. Purdy struggled all day to find open receivers.
ReplyDeleteThat's what happens when you coach like a scared school girl!
ReplyDeleteMaybe just not the Niners year.
ReplyDeleteFelix
DeleteMAYBE? Even for a fanboy that is MYOPIC!
It might be time for a 2nd level coaching change. DCord, anyone? Also, what do you tell your team in the locker room after a game like today?
ReplyDeleteOther than that last drive without Bosa, I thought the defense played well. Without checking, I think Seattle’s offense was below their averages.
DeleteI think the O line did not play well. Lots of penalties, poor protection where Purdy was forced to scramble, not much of a run game.
ReplyDeleteYah, there is so much blame to go around. The thing is, when there are that many issues, both sides, it 100% falls on the HEAD COACH!
DeleteWhen Purdy had time to throw he was not sharp and made bad decisions by throwing into very good defensive coverage. Also, he had CMC wide open in the middle of the field on one play where he decided to run. It's time to stop the Purdy love-fest and not be afraid to call a poor game from him like today. We don't have a problem calling out the STs or D, and Oline.
ReplyDeleteHis throwing into to tight coverages had been the problem much of the year because receivers aren’t separating like in previous years. Where else is he going to throw. I’m pretty sure he’d prefer to throw to open receivers. I’m sure he made a couple of mistakes during the game like every QB does every game.
DeleteOops that was my comment
DeleteFelix,
DeleteI think you may be right, it is not the 49ers year. The D was pretty good until the last drive where they sh** the bed. The O line was very poor today. Even when BP had time he was off (not worth 60 mill hell he probably is only worth about 30 mill) I'm sorry to say it but CMC may never be the same again. They could end up 2-5 or 1-6 the rest of the way. That's 7-10 or 6-11. They could end up with the kind of draft picks that a team can rebuild on.
OldCoach: "They could end up with the kind of draft picks that a team can rebuild on."
Delete* I agree OC. While we both agree that the 9ers should draft
O-Lineman, I suspect they will draft another DT and EDGE in
RD #1 and Rd #2?
* The 9ers need a TE, but I don't see JL drafting a TE in the 2025 draft. However, he may try to sign Blake Bell, a TE F/A he tried to sign in for the 2024 season. Instead, Bell signed a
1 tear contract with Dallas, for $1.7 Mil,. plus a $450K signing bonus.
As we saw today, there's no need to throw into tight coverage when WRs are covered. "Where else is he going to throw it?" Away!
ReplyDeleteAway?? This is the NFL. You have to make tight throws. If he had thrown away all the tight throws he made, they wouldn’t have scored at all.
DeleteFelix,
DeleteAgain you are right but there is a difference between tight windows and no windows. My biggest problem with BP today was throwing bad passes into tight windows and to open receivers
"This is the NFL you have to make tight throws." I agree, but only if you have the arm strength to it. That's Purdy's forte. But even if you do have the arm strength, you still have decide if it's a good idea to force the ball into tight coverage. Even Bret Farve got into trouble throwing it into tight coverage. And Purdy is no Bret Farve.
DeleteHe can make all the throws so arm strength has nothing to do with it. He successfully made numerous tight throws. It’s a decision every QB has to make and only a loser would opt to throw it away everytime.
DeleteNow if one goes bad and it turns into an interception then I guess that makes you a genius in hindsight.
That's *not* Purdy's forte.
DeleteFelix,
DeleteNah, far from a genius. But, hopefully I'm smart enough to know that you don't throw the ball into tight coverage, especially when the game is not on the line in the 1st half. There were other areas to blame for this loss from Shanahan on down. But insulating Purdy from any blame is not my style.
Every QB throws into tight coverage when they have to and believe they can hit their target, it happens in every game. Football is a game of inches at every position.
DeleteGo ahead and criticize the QB and the coach as much as you want. Most fans do and most fans have no clue what they are talking about.
Dude, calm down. Throwing into tight coverage, miss seeing open WRs, getting passes batted down at the line of scrimmage, passes not on target, being casual in the pocket, is not a recipe for success. It will be interesting to see what the 49ers offer Purdy in the off season if this continues. Any predictions?
DeleteI saw lots of penalties on the O line, who also struggled at pass protection and run blocking which was much more of a cause for the loss than anything bad that Purdy did. As for your question I expect he will be one of the highest paid QBs if not the highest.
DeleteTBD
DeleteFelix,
DeleteI have been saying that this O line is deteriorating for while now. I believe (if my memory serves correct) that you were one of those who said I was wrong. As to your prediction that BP will be one of the highest paid if not he highest paid QBs. I agree. The 49ers are between a rock and a hard place. They can either pay him 60 mill or more or he will go elsewhere. Even though I don't believe he is worth anywhere near that money the only other choice they have is let him walk with no replacement in place. They will keep him, they will pay him as the highest paid QB in football and they are setting themselves up to be the next Cowboys (QB wise)
AES
DeleteIMO, we also have to consider the fact that BP is who he always was? More experienced, but he still has the same deficiencies.
* The difference now is, the other NFL teams have tape on how KC DC Spagnuolo's defense attacked BP! Db's playing tight Man covering 9er receivers, throwing his timing off. Blitzing LB(s), or Safeties, stacking the D-Line LOS to slow down the 9er run game. Injuries to CMC, Aiyuk and some games, TE Kittle. Also, the offense NOT being able to score in the Red Zone....That's as much on KS, as it is on BP.
* You also have to consider injuries to the D-Line for NOT stoping the run, getting off the field on 3rd down, or NOT being capable of protecting a 4th qtr lead. Now consider that's the same problem why the 9ers lost both SB's to KC! * While you can blame BP for NOT being an elite QB, capable of leading a 4th qtr come back, who's fault is it that the 9er D gave up the lead, NOT BP? BTW, you also have to remember, he's NOT an elite QB taken in the 1st RD, he's the last player taken in the 2021 draft. He is, in fact, the QB that saved both JL and KS's Butt after they blew the 9er's 1Rd Rd draft pick in the 2021 draft, by drafting QB Try Lance, giving up 3 1st round draft picks and a 3rd in 2022.
* I'm NOT here to defend BP. Both you and Old Coach are right,
BP is NOT an elite QB and likely NOT worth $60 Mil. P/year, but he is better than any starting 9er QB has had since Alex Smith.
Any with 20-20 hindsight want to guess why the 9ers did NOT keep backup QB Sam Darnold?
* Not all is lost my fellow disheartened, downtrodden, and unappreciated 9er fans, we still have the 2025 draft to look forward to.... HOPE SPRINGS ETERNAL!
You get CMC back and you forget about one of the leagues leading rushers, and a home-run threat with any tough? Are you FU__ING kidding me? How much lamer can you get? I've been saying for years ... Kyle simply can't see the forest thru the trees!
ReplyDeleteAGAIN, this really isn't on Brock Purdy. Kyle gave him a horrific game plan, with nonsensical play-calling every step of the way. If I am Mason and Guerrendo, I'm roasting Kyle for Thanksgiving! SERIOUSLY!
ReplyDeleteCan somebody explain to me why it's reasonable to believe that CMC would be the exact same guy coming off of debilitating stress injuries on both legs? Please, I need somebody to explain this to many. What could possibly cause Kyle to assume CMC was just back, no need to use one of the leagues TOP rushers (Mason) AT ALL? What about Guerrendo, who was trending up up up, in a big time? WTF?
ReplyDeleteSome of you say Shanahan's stubborn. That sounds right. Continues to run Deebo wide gaaagh! Deebo stinks.
ReplyDeleteCowing must be totally retarded not to play him or is it that Kyle won't play him because Kyle has some rule that insists WR's know the playbook perfectly. And the playcalling: Consistently trying to both run out the clock while scoring a TD at the end of halfs and at the end of today's game instead of just going for the score and forgoing the run if we're facing stuffed boxes. It's so hard to watch.
About CMC: He's not a better runner than Mason. On some runs, he might find a crease Mason wouldn't, but Mason moves the pile better at the end of runs. CMC supposedly would stress the defense because of his receiving prowess, but that's not so compelling that Mason shouldn't be getting a lot of carries and Guerendo, too.
ReplyDeleteWell, it's going to take a huge turnaround in form for the 49ers to make the playoffs now. Very disappointing season to date.
ReplyDeleteYeah, very disappointing. At the moment this is not a playoff team. And add to that, not even a fun team to watch. There's going to be a lot of sorting out after this season.
ReplyDeleteOne of the most frustrating things they need to sort out is WR. Frustrating because it looked like they had sorted it out for at least the next few seasons during the offseason. But they have consistently struggled to create much separation this year, even when Aiyuk had two good knees. Big decisions to be made at that position group.
Delete@Scooter: Any thoughts on what they can do to jettison Deebo? His new contract is going to make it very difficult for 2025 but easier thereafter. I don't think it is a secret that Aiyuk is not in the same league as Jefferson or Chase.
DeleteAlso, Purdy has been lauded as a QB who throws with anticipation - can't that be translated to "throwing guys open". We haven't seen much of that lately. Is Purdy not even trusting his guys to get marginal separation so he can throw them open or is Purdy also regressing.
They can designate Deebo a post June 1 cut to soften the cap blow. And imo probably should.
DeleteAiyuk is a problem though, as who knows when he'll be ready or if he'll ever be as good as he was (which was good not great).
Purdy is going to be fine, but yes, I do think he is losing a bit of confidence this season. Not trusting what he's seeing as much. I think his struggles against man, which in part is due to his receivers not getting much separation, has impacted him.
Hopefully, there will be some changes- should've slipped Shaupert a few times and integrate Cowings- the lack of speed/separation is too burdensome when they're stacking the box....... they have also raised prices on ticket holders probably 3 of last 4 years and next year we have Jax/Ten/Car home games to make matters worse....... if they lose at GB and Buffalo, Hargrave and Greenlaw likely don't return, and probably no point in playing Ward or Hufunga and look to the future. Crazy/sad season. So, let's hope they win the next two and AZ stumbles......
ReplyDeleteLooks like there may be snow this Sun. in GB. I guess that's better than rain because we all know how BP plays in the rain.
ReplyDeleteOkay its been about 23 hours, time to take a look at the 9ers with an unemotional eye. Kittle out, Aiyuk out, Williams at 65%, CMC not a shadow of himself, Deebo not yet recovered from His pneumonia, (take it from me I had pneumonia years ago it took me better than a year to totally recover) Ward out, Greenlaw out Hufanga out, Hargrave out and Bosa out. 10 of their top players out or extremely hindered. There is no HC, there is no team that could overcome that. Now that doesn't excuse the rest of the O line and Purdy's poor play. I worry about next year Williams, CMC and Kittle one year older. Hufanga, Greenlaw and Aiyuk coming off off major injuries. BP getting way over paid and Bosa had the rep in HS and college of being injury prone, seems like it is still happening. KS/JL have their work cut out for them this off season. They might be better off losing out and getting much better picks than usual.
ReplyDeleteCoach,
ReplyDeleteI was very disappointed with yesterday's loss. And as I said yesterday, the blame starts with Shanahan on down. But, if Purdy is an elite QB as some have referred, he has to find ways to win even when his support system is hobbling. Not having top WRs is not an excuse to overthrow, underthrow, and throw into tight coverage, imho. It's hypothetical, but I wonder if Shanahan would have sent in Sam Darnold if he was still a 49ers.
AES,
DeleteI agree with you about BP. KSs play design has left something to desire but I think an off-season should give him the chance to return to the old KS. Do you think any team could win with the banged up and injured players the 49ers have? It's not just the amount of injured players but they are 10 of the top 12 or 13 players. I have seen teams missing close to the same amount of players but never this many out of their top 15 and I left out Wishnowsky, he would have likely pinned Sea back with that last punt.
I wouldn't call blaming this loss on injuries an excuse per se, but it is skirting around Kyle's ability to adjust. For instance, the 49ers were clearly short on receivers after Kittle was scratched, but Kyle chose to pass the football more than he ran it, despite a RB room overflowing with talent. Not giving Mason or Guerrendos any significant carry against a team whom those two runners dominated a month ago, against a defense that is better suited to defend the pass consistently, is the type of illogical coaching that gets coaches fired. Injuries are factored in as part of the sport. The best HC's find ways to scheme around those injuries, while Kyle seems to do the opposite, like we saw yesterday. This is my #1 problem with Kyle - sure, when things are going his way he's talented enough to take advantage, but when things aren't going his way, due to injuries, penalties, weather, officiating, he is simply too stubborn to adjust. Another example - Special Teams! All season long up to this point this unit is killing this football team, but Kyle simply refuses to make any changes to the unit whatsoever. I'm am really starting to believe Kyle has a something wrong when it comes to looking at things with any kind of open mind. Whether he just has a underdeveloped sense of problem, solving, or he's simply too arrogant to come to terms with being outclassed, and outcoached, something just isn't adding up with the job he's doing this season that goes beyond the injury list!
DeleteI'm not trying to make excuses for KS. He is off his game as to play calling/play design and his love affair with CMC I don't understand but I have never seen a team with injuries to this many top 15 players. There was a time before the salary cap that coaches could adapt to this many injuries. In the salary cap era a team is lucky to have quality players at the 22 starting spots. Because of lack of cap room the backup players are no better than ST players.
DeleteCoach,
ReplyDeleteThe above comment from Anonymous is not me. But either Shanahan is snake-bit when having a lead or he relaxes with a lead instead of keeping his foot on the gas. Btw, I'm crazy enough to believe that they can still make the playoffs. But they need to have a firm voice in the locker room (ala Ronnie Lott) that shakes the team up. At the moment I believe that two voices can garner locker room attention and respect are Fred Warner and Trent Williams.
It's not crazy to believe they can still make the playoffs. But they will need to improve their level of play to date significantly to do so. And I'm just not of the belief the team has it in them mentally this year to do so.
DeleteIf they can get 5-6 more wins there might be some hope. But the Cards would need to fade down the stretch.
ReplyDeleteOut of the games against Buffalo, Detroit and Green Bay, we have to win 2.
DeleteIf we do that, then the final game against the Arizona will come down to the Division Title.
But with the way this team is playing, I won't be surprised if we lose all 4 games - Vs Lions, Vs Bills, Vs Packers and Vs Cards.
Mug,
ReplyDeleteIf the 49ers fail to make the playoffs they will likely fall in the 15-20 1st rd draft range. Not the scenario I want, but at least they could draft a premium player.
AES,
DeleteWe have proven that we can get starters in the later rounds....and have also routinely botched 1st rounders. So draft, I'm not thinking yet. :)
Our goal should be to win the next 5-6 games out of the remaining 7 and sneak into the playoffs.
Even if we miss the playoffs, rather than riding the all-pros who are in the twilight of their career, I would take these 7 games to evaluate the 53 roster to see who are the future cornerstone players.
QUESTION FOR THE BLOG:
ReplyDeleteI'm in a quandary trying to decide what the 9ers should pay BP?
At this point in time, IMO, BP is NOT worth $60 Mil. P/year! But what is he worth? $55 Mil. P/year? $50 Mil. P/year? * In your opinion, how much should the 9ers pay BP? For how
many years? How much of his salary should they guarantee? And Should the 9ers backload BP's new contract?
* If BP refuses to sign for < $60 Mil. P/Year, should the 9ers,
OPTION #1: Let him walk, or OPTUIN #2: Pay him, knowing they can NOT afford to surround him with talented, expensive, players?
GEEP,
DeleteI think BP is worth around 30 mill. I think the 49ers will pay him 65 mill. As I said in an earlier post I believe that signing BP for that amount will put the 49ers in the same position, QB wise. as the Cowboys and the Jags. By that I mean they will have the highest paid QB in football who only ranks between #10 and #7.
QB salary explosion makes it very difficult to say what BP should be paid.
DeleteImo BP is a significant upgrade on JG, and the 49ers made JG the highest paid QB in 2018 without hindering their ability to field an excellent team around him for many years. Based on that, can argue the 49ers shouldn't be too concerned giving BP around top of the market pay.
But in 2018, while JG received the highest QB contract at the time, the average annual value of the deal still only represented 15.5% of the 2018 salary cap. Current projections for 2025 are a salary cap around $272.5M - 15.5% of that is around $42.5M a year which is well below current QB market value.
I think the bigger question that teams in general will need to start asking, is whether any QB is worth the share of salary cap that QBs are currently getting, and if so... which ones?
Good teams become ok/ bad teams pretty quickly when they go from paying top tier talent top tier money, to paying good talent top tier money.
I have read a few articles over the last year or so calling for a separate cap for QBs. I think it could work but the other players would have to vote it in and in a way sell out the QBs to the benefit of all other players. They would have to grandfather in all of the QBs signed and then cap QBs at say a max of 15.5% of the total cap.
DeletePersonally I don't like the idea because it just makes teams that have an established great QB all the harder to beat if they are competing for every other position group on a level salary cap playing field with other teams (I.e., don't need to commit more of their overall cap to the great QB they have than teams without one).
DeleteWhat needs to happen is teams stop paying ok QBs like they are top tier QBs. The biggest issue is badly run teams massively overpaying and driving up prices for everyone.
Scooter
DeleteWhile I appreciate your response to my question and I mostly agree with you.. It defines my quandary, but doesn't answer it.
* IMO, BP is the best QB the 9ers have had since Alex Smith.
Using Smith as an example: His contract looked like it contained $16.5 million in guaranteed money. But his 2nd year base salary of $7.5 million was fully guaranteed only if
he remained on the 49ers' roster on April 1, 2013.
It meant that the 9ers could likely get out of the new contract following the 2012 season with only $1 million guaranteed. In reality, the 9ers committed only one year at just over $9
Mil. to Smith. My question to you is, what dollar amount is appropriate? And could or should, the 9ers structure BP's new contract the same way, as It would give the 9ers a chance to better determine what BP was capable of fixing, as well as drafting new talent to address the defensive and the offensive lines.
As to the question of, "is any QB worth the share of salary cap that QBs are currently getting, and if so... which ones?"
Again, I agree with you, but your answer doesn't answer my question of how much should BP's new contract with the 9ers amount to, how many years should it be for and how should it be structured?
While we don't always agree, I respect your opinion(s), as I've
always found it to be accurate and well reasoned. I suspect the difference is, how I approach the problem as an engineer, looking for answers with absolute values, where as I find you're approach is more abstract. For example, "is any QB worth the share of salary cap that QBs are currently getting?"
While true, it doesn't provide me with a $$ dollar amount.
If a young engineer that works for me, comes to me with a
problem, my question to them is don't bring me a problem
if you're not prepared to also give me your solution to it.
Why? Because I know if they're intelligent enough to realize a
problem exists, I want to know if they're also intelligent enough to figure out a solution to the problem.
Since I know from experience that your intelligent, I want to
get inside your head and see both the problem as well as the
solution from your prospective. Understand your reasoning and why you believe what you believe
Heh, I think the issue here is I wasn't actually trying to answer your question. Just highlighting how difficult a problem it is.
DeleteThe reality is the 49ers most likely find themselves in a 'damned if they do, damned if they don't' situation. BP is unlikely to accept less than market rate, and if the 49ers pay him that he probably won't become one of the few that may be worth such a contract. If they don't pay him, we also know how hard it's been for the 49ers to find a QB as good as BP, and it will likely take a few years to find a replacement that plays at his level.
Ultimately I would pay him, which at this stage I am assuming will be around $55M - $60M a year. I think he's good enough to at least keep them competitive and is still developing. But I would try and avoid making it too backloaded so they at least have the option of pulling the pin if it isn't working out. As for guarantees, you can't really avoid making the first two years guaranteed these days, and will probably need to guarantee for injury some of the money after that.
Scooter,
DeleteI don't want to make things easier for the poorly run teams. I would like to see a cap that rewards the teams that draft and develop well. Right now QBa are being paid way too much money and teams that draft and develop well are being punished. I think it would be totally fair for BP to sign for slightly more than Bosa.
Well, it's not making things easier by not introducing a separate cap for QBs, that would be keeping it the same. Introducing the separate cap just rewards teams that have found a star QB even more.
DeleteIt also basically guarantees that every QB that is a starter and eligible for a new contract will just get the going rate, same as now.
Not sure what the solution is, but don't believe the separate cap is it.
Scooter
Delete"Heh, I think the issue here is I wasn't actually trying to answer your question. Just highlighting how difficult a problem it is."
Yea, I understood that when I read your answer! But since I know you're a rather intelligent (as you say), bloke? I wanted to get inside your head and understand your thinking, your reasoning and prospective. WHY, you believe in what your
solution to the problem is, because your experience may
point to a solution I have missed, or overlooked?
Scooter they would get the going rate but it would be frozen at 15.5%. QBs would no longer be taking up close to 25% of the total cap
DeleteI think Mike Shanahan answered you question when he said, "When you have a guy like that in your building, you don't let him out".
DeleteGEEP,
ReplyDeleteI believe Old Coach said it best.
"The 49ers are between a rock and a hard place. They can either pay him 60 mill or more or he will go elsewhere."
There's some wisdom in that because there is no way the FO will draft a QB in 2025 with the idea of replacing Purdy. Nor is there a FA QB that can carry the team if Brock misses time.
While I've leveled some critique at Purdy, he is still the best option at QB we have. I venture that the 49ers know that as well and will likely give Purdy $60m.
AES / OldCoach
ReplyDeleteYes sir, I do "get it!" But if that's your solution to the problem, have you NOT already admitted defeat before you begin to negotiate?
If so, why bother negotiating? Just give them a signed blank check and tell them to fill in the $$ amount.
While I have no idea what the 9er are willing to pay BP, or how they
will agree to structure his new contract. Why would any F/A be
interested in signing with the 9ers, knowing they'll be low balled
because the 9ers can't, or won't to pay them what they're worth?
* An example: The NYG FO refused to pay F/A Saquon Barkley, so
he signed with the Eagles. Now he's looking like a serious MVP contender for the Eagles. Philadelphia is 8-2 and in 1st place in the NFC East while the Barkley-less Giants are 2-8 and a dumpster fire!
The Giants decided to let Barkley walk because QB Daniel Jones had 2 more years left on a four-year, $160 million deal.
A 2nd example: Dallas, IMO, made a mistake by giving QB Dak Prescott's a 4 year, $240 million contract extension. Has Prescott proved to be the "BEST" QB, after making him the highest paid QB in the NFL? Dallas in now 3W - 7L team, while the NY Giants are the
last place team in the NFC East, with a 2W - 8L record.
Based on the aggregate work of Purdy, I don't see anything less than $60m. Playoff wins and a SB appearance puts him in that echelon, imho. There could be some soft negotiations, but the target more than likely is $60m. If Prescott can backup a couple of Brinks trucks with nothing to really show for it, Purdy will likely "get his."
ReplyDeleteColton McKivitz among OTs in Week 11:
ReplyDelete⛏️ 84.8 PFF grade (4th)
⛏️ 90.3 run-blocking grade (2nd)
⛏️ 36 pass-blocking snaps
⛏️ 1 pressure allowed
Razor,
DeletePFF has the 49ers Oline ranked #9 overall. That's much better than I would have thought. But that's on me. Obviously the Oline has been getting better throughout the season. Question, where (what rd.) do the 49ers need to draft an Olineman?
I take PFF grades of OL with a hefty sack of salt.
DeleteImo it is time they put a first rounder into either an OT or C, and likely a day 2 pick into the other. Problem is I think they also need to put another first rounder into the DL.
Seems Foerster has proven you don't need to force OL like the Chiefs did with Suamataia.
DeletemcKivitz one set of downs 1st down false start second down sack this was in the seattle game. thats why i dont believe PFF grades i believe my eyes
DeleteYou shouldn't panic and over draft one, but I think this season is showing you still need to invest in it. Brendel in particular has not looked good.
DeleteI'd venture a guess that Zakelj will be the favorite to be the starting Center next year. Here's some interesting small school OL that look like they can play at the NFL level:
Delete• Charles Grant, William & Mary
• Grey Zabel, North Dakota State
• Marcus Wehr, Montana State
• Jackson Slater, Sacramento State
• Thomas Perry, Middlebury College (DIII)
• Carson Vinson, Alabama A&M
I really think it is time they invest a high draft pick at center. Zakelj can compete for the spot, but the fact the guy has yet to force his way into any meaningful snaps makes me think he'll only ever be serviceable at best.
DeleteZakelj is the backup center right now. Not an easy job to transition to, and I think the plan all along was to develop him. No the job won't be handed to him. He'll have to earn it but he looks like the favorite right now.
DeleteFavourite due to lack of options. Time to add some options.
DeleteIt'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out but if I had to guess right now, Williams/Burford/Zakelj/Puni/McKivitz will be the starting OL next year.
DeleteOoof
DeleteHearing how p!ssed off the team was after the Seahawks game, how silent the locker room was, is honestly very annoying to me. They should have been at this point well before now. It just says to me that this team came into the season thinking that making the playoffs was their right and they didn't need to work for it. And that they were still thinking this way heading into the Seahawks game.
ReplyDeleteScooter,
DeleteIt's a steep climb, but if the 49ers can get past the Packers and the Bill's it would give them a well needed lift of confidence and hopefully spur them forward for a possible playoff appearance.
ReplyDeleteAND A 9ER WIN ONLY BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT!
* After replacing Seattle as the last place team in the NFC West, The 5W - 5L 9ers travel to Green Bay to play the 7W - 3L Packers
next week (Nov 17th).
* And the following week, Dec 01/2025, the 9ers travel to Buffalo to play division leading (9W - 2L) Bills.
* At both GB and Buffalo the 9ers will likely play in the snow with near freezing temperatures.
AND IF YOU THOUGHT IT COULDN'T GET ANY WORSE, GUESS WHAT?
ReplyDelete* On defense, Nick Bosa is dealing with oblique and hip injury.
* On offense even worse, BP is nursing a sore throwing shoulder.
* Trent Williams? An ankle injury prevented him from practicing all week. His status for GB game is TBD.
* George Kittle was sidelined with a hamstring issue for Week 11 game. He has manage a couple of workouts in a limited capacity but, hasn't been cleared to play against GB.
GEEP,
DeleteI hope we won't be hearing anymore of the well its no excuse/next man up/it is KSs job to overcome injuries/every body has injuries stuff. There comes a time when massive injuries take away any chance of being competitive especially against the kind of teams they face in the next 2 weeks. There was a time when this wasn't true. In the pre cap era teams could load their rosters with very good backups that era is gone. As poor of a season as I think KS is having, I believe that a loss this week is pretty much out of his controll.
Coach,
DeleteEvery player except Kittle and of course Aiyuk on offense played against Seattle. The Oline was whole, CMC is back and Jennings looked good early on. Seattle's defense came in ripe for the taking. Have injuries slowed down the teams progress? Yes. But with some core offensive players still on the field last Sunday, the 49ers had enough weapons to beat the seahags. The 49ers lost a game that was imo, inexcusable.
AES
Delete"The 49ers lost a game that was imo, inexcusable."
You got that right. Personally, I feel the team should be 10-0 not 5-5. The team is flat, too many penalties, defense has its issues. Way too much talent for their record they have achieved this year. Also, for me the team is hard to watch right now.
UC,
DeleteAside from my frustration with last Sundays loss. I'm still confident that the 49ers can put together a nice run going forward. I would like to see Shanahan use Mason more and Pearsall as well. The Packers D will follow Seattle's blueprint and take away the intermediate passes, so some deep passes could be in the offing. I'm expecting the 49ers to have a "wake-up" game and get a win on Sunday.
"I'm expecting the 49ers to have a "wake-up" game and get a win on Sunday."
DeleteI think so to. But they also can't then be chuffed with themselves for having one good game. Feels to me like there's a sense of entitlement in the team atm. Need to knock that out and lock in for the rest of the season, treating each game like it's vital.
AES,
DeleteYou said everyone played on O except for Kittle and Aiyuk. #1 those are the two best offensive players the 49ers have (that wouldn't be true last year before CMC got hurt.#2 You said CMC is back. Is he really? he looks like he is about 50% of himself. If Mason had played 75% of the snaps I would have expected a lot more out of the 9ers. #3 T. Williams said he was at about 65% of himself. That along with the injuries on D spell a loss to me. If Bosa and BP miss this next game I could see them losing by two TDs or more
Coach,
DeleteI wasn't critiquing your earlier comment. Just making a point that the 49ers had enough core players on offense to beat a bad Seattle defense. If my memory serves me correct, the 49ers have won without Kittle and Aiyuk before. Here's an issue that is starting to frustrate me as well. Shanahan needs to find a way to close out games in which the team is ahead. But that's a different topic for another day.
AES,
DeleteI agree on KS not closing games but not just KS also our DC
Obviously, no official announcement has come from the 49ers FO, and likely will come on game day. Perhaps I'm being too ambitious, but I expect all of them to be ready to start at GB. Once they play, they will decide if they can stay on the field.
ReplyDeleteOldCoach / AES
ReplyDeleteOC: "I hope we won't be hearing anymore of the well its no excuse/next man up"...etc, etc
* I suspect anyone espousing that rhetoric is someones bravado, whistling past the graveyard!
AES: "I'm still confident that the 49ers can put together a nice run going forward."
* Are you confident enough to bet on the 9ers VS GB or the Bills? If so, you're seeing something in the 9ers that I'm NOT. Especially when you factor in the weather and the effect that snow and 30 deg weather has on anyone not acclimated to it.
I've never been a betting man. But personally, I'm not giving up the 49ers just yet. I don't have any analytics to show why they should win. Just doing my best to hold on to a sliver of confidence.
DeleteAES
ReplyDeleteI've got to admit, as a 9er fan, I'll give you props for being a die hard fan....lol While I retain a flicker of hope, my pain threshold is lower than yours.
Fortunately, the games are away and the forecast is for snow at Tahoe. If the 9ers lose to GB and the Bills, I'm waxing up my skies to go cross country skiing and get in shape for the season...
"I've got to admit, as a 9er fan, I'll give you props for being a die hard fan....lol While I retain a flicker of hope, my pain threshold is lower than yours."
DeleteLol. Lets just say I have a lot of experience in fighting thru some very hard seasons dating back to the 60s. Even when they're not playing well, I guess that I'm a gluten for pain, in that I look for some glimer of hope. But, these days I admit that the losses hit me harder.
Day 3 edge prospect, Gabe Jacas, Illinois
ReplyDeleteThanks, I'll check him out. I saw a couple of updated mocks that have the 49ers going CB with their first pick and Oline 2nd, with Edge in 3rd rd.
DeleteAccording to M. Maiocco BP was trying to practice today but had to leave the field with shoulder pain. It looks more and more likely that Purdy won't play on Sunday
ReplyDeleteDunno, but he jacked up his ribs and didn't practice and then played so we'll see.
ReplyDeleteTommy Hart, you had a really good career for a player drafted in the 10th round, Rip buddy.
ReplyDeleteTommy Hart RIP. He was a good not great pass rusher who was an excellent run defender. Great DE run defenders are ignored in the HOF. I think he belongs in.
DeleteHe and Cedrick Hardman always gave the Rams headache.
ReplyDeleteRIP
Harold Fannin Jr., TE, Bowling Green is not to be slept on.
ReplyDeleteFannin's highlights look good. He reminds me of a bigger version of Jauan Jennings. I didn't see him blocking on the video though which is a part of the 49ers standard for TE. But he looks good as a big receiver.
DeleteRazor
DeleteFannin Jr. is having a great season from a production standpoint and I like him as an H back or power slot. But he's not effective defeating physical press defenders. As an in-line blocker he fails to impress. IMO, he'll need to bulk up and add strength before KS would give him any reps.
With Purdy's availability against GB still "tenuous" per J. Lynch. Mason and Guerendo should see a good amount of action. CMC will start, but the field conditions likely won't be favorable for his quick cut-back style. CMC may be better at receiving out of the back field.
ReplyDeletePer KS Bosa out, Purdy out, Ward out and Williams is a game time decision. YIKES!!!
ReplyDeletePurdy and Bosa have been ruled out against GB. The running game and Moody might be the key for a win.
ReplyDeleteWith Purdy out, I find it hard to see them winning this one. I think Allen is going to show how much the OL relies on BP to avoid pressure and sacks.
DeleteThat's one probable outcome but I lean towards Allen surprising most people who don't think he's very good.
DeleteSpot on, Scooter. Which is exactly why I would rather have Dobbs in the game.
DeleteIt's not so much about Allen being a good QB or not, I just think BP does an excellent job evading pressure which I don't think Allen is as capable of.
DeleteAES
ReplyDeleteYep, It seems misery loves company...
BP and Bosa out for Week 12 game VS GB and TW is listed as questionable with ankle injury! I think we can forget about playoffs
https://sports.yahoo.com/49ers-qb-brock-purdy-de-nick-bosa-out-for-week-12-game-vs-packers-212636189.html
* KS officially announced BP was out when he met with reporters after practice. Brandon Allen will start at QB VS GB.
BP had a MRI, but I have not yet found out what the results were. Anyone know?
ReplyDeleteThey aren't gonna tell us the MRI results. Purdy's out. Bosa's out. Let Allen cook.
ReplyDeleteI'd rather Dobbs.
DeleteHa ha, most people for their viewing pleasure sure, but Shanahan wants the offense to stay efficient and that means Brock Purdy lite. That would be Brandon Allen who possesses the strongest arm out of all three quarterbacks.
DeleteSounds like the league needs to discuss the idea of two bye's during the season at this rate.
ReplyDeleteI believe the next vote is 18 games over 20 weeks- no pre-season.
ReplyDelete17 games is already long enough. Many players getting injured towards the end of the season would have a shorter time to recover. The NFL is an unstoppable money cow.
ReplyDeleteOne has to wonder if a billionaire player is on the horizon.
DeleteAES,
DeleteThe players could vote it down but they won't.
John Lynch is at the Ohio St. vs Indiana game today. Could he be taking personal notes on any players?
ReplyDeleteThis may be a game for Sorenson and Staley to test some of their blitz packages. With Bosa out, not sure if 4-man pressure will do the job.
ReplyDeleteThe pff grades for the DL weren't very good last week, absent Floyd (70). Also, I think the 49ers need to entertain extending McKivitz....... I know he's not very popular, but he has been pretty solid this year.....
DeleteOne reason, Money
ReplyDeleteIf the extra game comes with an extra bye round, plus the added money, I could potentially see players getting on board.
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