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ReplyDeleteThey had to make this move. Well #3 is too high for Mac Jones & Justin Fields. I have to agree that it might by Trey Lance.
Colin Cowherd had Lance over at his house and had very nice things to say about Lance. I'm concerned about the lack of starting experience though.
Same but I think, Shanny's plan will be to take a page from, Reid's with regard to how he groomed, Mahomes.
DeleteIf, Jimmy goes down, Lance will be able to come in and immediately threaten with his legs, while, Shanny spoon feeds him some easy passing plays.
Lance has been receiving plenty of favourable comments about his mental acuity and attitude. I think he is going to impress a lot of people. Needs development, but I think he has the desire, intelligence and ability to be very good.
DeleteOne thing is certain. Mac Jones? Forget about it.
ReplyDeleteIts going to be fun watching this all unfold. I suspect either they trade JG to the Patriots and regain a little of the draft capital they lost or JG gets the Alex Smith treatment.
ReplyDeleteInteresting move. Jimmy G back to the Patriots next year?
ReplyDeleteSure looks like it.
DeleteMaybe for a 3rd rounder they gave up to Miami.
DeleteSince this has happened, why not trade Jimmy to the Patriots and sign Alex Smith. We know Smith will groom the youngster, but who's to say Jimmy will. Plus, there will probably be considerable cap savings for this year by replacing Jimmy with Alex.
ReplyDeleteIn thinking some more about this, Alex likely won't be able to command the offense as well as Jimmy. But if the hope is to win it all with Jimmy this year and they do, then how do you get rid of him in 2022?
DeleteCubus, if, Jimmy balls out his trade value will rebound.
DeleteHas a Superbowl winning QB ever been traded? One thing I'll say for ShanaLynch, they aren't afraid to go big.
DeleteExactly, and Jimmy G is far likely do better this year than Alex Smith. They still may get a vet QB and cut the two Joshs.
DeleteCubus, if, Joe Montana can get traded anyone can.
DeleteI wonder if the team will try to trade up to #2 in order to secure Wilson. There's still a month to go before the draft. Something similar to the Bears 49ers trade in 2017.
ReplyDeleteDoubt it, Cubus. This trade says to me that, Shanny is content with the 3rd qb prospect in this draft. Who? Tbd.
DeleteI wouldn't be so sure. KS might have two QBs he covets (besides Lawrence). Moving to #3 assures one, but he might like the other guy better. The Jets might still not have made a final decision on what they are going to do. This could be similar to the 49ers/Bears trade in 2017.
DeleteWilson just threw the best pass I've seen from pro day prospects thus far.
ReplyDeleteLet's hope the 49ers have some inside info that the Jets are taking Lance or Fields, so that the 49ers can get Wilson. Otherwise, I think they should continue to try to trade up to #2. They're already in this trade big time, what's a little more compensation in order to get the best prospect, imo.
DeleteCUbus, if as you say, he's the best prospect, why would the Jets take, Lance or Fields?
DeleteRemember, Wilson has been my guy all along. No one wants him more than I do. He's not getting by the Jets. Lance is a very good consolation prize. He probably has the highest ceiling of any prospect at the position in this draft. He would have a real chance of reaching it under this head coach, gm and staff.
There is still another option that the Jets take BPA and that they lay all there chips in Darnold in this scenario we get Wilson, or what i want more is a Eli Manning situation lol
ReplyDeleteThere may well be some tacit understanding with the Jets in this trade. Houston may play a part in this if Watson is okay with being traded to the Jets.
ReplyDeleteThat's what I'm hoping for Mood. Wilson is the guy they need to get. For me, Lance is too raw and too unproven and a tremendous risk.
DeleteOr Jimmy G and #3th pick to the Texas Mood
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DeleteAbove response was to Cubus.
DeleteRobber,
It's possible but unlikely. ShanaLynch want to be in the Super Bowl this season. Watson has some problems to sort out that may distract him from learning Kyle's offense. Moreover, a Watson trade is not a certainty.
Per Schefter: Dolphins now have basically turned their former LT Laremy Tunsil who they traded to Houston into four first-round picks and a third-round pick. The Grier-Flores team has done a god job wheeling-dealing.
ReplyDeleteQuite amazing. I think it's either Fields or Watson with Houston agreeing to that pick as their only compensation. Yes, Watson seems to be in big trouble but maybe those behind the curtain think they know better.
ReplyDeleteIf it were, Fields why not wait until after his pro day that's coming up? I think it's, Lance because they were there at his pro day, just did a zoom with him, and I believe Lance is a better fit in the offense.
DeleteWatson seems very, very risky, George. If his career is done, then three first round picks are down the drain.
DeleteI'd be extremely surprised if they trade for, Watson. The only thing that would surprise me more would be if they select, Mac Jones at #3. You wanna see a twitter meltdown? That's what would happen if they were to make such a boneheaded move.
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DeleteLance Zierlein
@LanceZierlein
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1h
Now
@MoveTheSticks
is mentioning that Mac Jones shouldn't be ruled out as a potential fit for SF at #3.
Potential fit at #3? Nah. No reason to give up that kind of draft capital to get up that high for, Jones when you could get him at #12.
DeleteSimms, the guy that has KS tattooed on his body said the same thing. I just don't see it. It would go down as the biggest reach in NFL draft history.
Razor: Not saying you're wrong, just that KS has reached before (Beathard, Pettis). Although they haven't had an egregious reach in the first round, but in KS' mind he's thinking franchise QB and he might overreach.
DeleteMy current thinking is Wilson is his first choice and Jones his second. He'll get one or the other.
Yeah, definitely don't rule it out.
DeleteScooter, are you saying there's a good chance they're in agreement as a franchise to not only use a 1st round pick, not just a top ten pick, a top 3 pick, and not just a top 3 pick, but two more future 1st round picks and change for a quarterback that does not possess one physical trait of a 1st round pick? YIKES!
DeleteWhat do you mean he doesn't possess one physical trait of a 1st round pick? When did only QBs with elite athletic ability get taken first round?
DeleteHe's got as much physical talent as a number of very successful NFL QBs. And also has the mental processing and accuracy.
Not every first round QB has to be Mahomes, Watson or Allen.
He has no ability to make plays off schedule. He needs a perfect pocket to throw. His arm is average. I don't know how well he processes information, so I will take your word on that. If he's the pick, the fans will make Jets fans look tame.
DeleteI'm sure some fans will. Some fans will do the same if they take Lance or Fields.
Delete"Keeping Garoppolo might also mean the team is invested in winning now but plans to transition to the younger player when he has had enough time to learn the playbook and work within the scheme. San Francisco can part ways with Garoppolo any offseason without much of a penalty."
ReplyDeleteNo way that's old school thinking. Developing a QB, that would be just wrong.
Fits right in with their philosophy. They're not just going to hand it to their #3 pick. I think following the Chiefs model with how they handled the, Smith/Mahomes transition is the wisest thing they could do. They got, Scarangello back so they've got a proven qb tutor to help get this rookie to eventually graduate in a, Shanny offense.
DeleteIts the way rookie QB's were treated years and years ago. Sit them, learn them, play them. Tragically rookies have been starting on bad teams on day one...doomed before it even begins. Rogers was another one that benefitted from sitting.
DeleteTeam selecting a QB on a rookie wage scale means that there is sufficient cap space for Warner extension and Bosa extension.
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ReplyDeleteChris Simms
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49ers-Dolphins...Kyle Shanahan trying to control his own fate. You trade up to 3 for a QB who is NFL-ready right now, not a project. And to me that says Mac Jones.
I guess for Shanny its 1A Wilson and 1B Lance, or do we get a shocking move and select Davis Mills hehe
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ReplyDeleteAdam Schefter
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49ers have been attempting to move into top five picks for several weeks now, per sources. They discussed trading up with Dolphins at 3, Falcons at 4, Bengals at 5 and ultimately decided to go as high as they could, per sources. There were no trade-up talks with the Jets at 2.
I don’t like the move. Giving up 3 firsts and a 3rd and still not being able to ensure you get your guy is bad move.
ReplyDeleteThey must truly believe there are 3 franchise calibre QBs available and are happy if they only get the third option.
DeleteShoup: They are swapping this year's first and giving up 2 firsts and a thir.
DeleteI know what they did cubus I just don’t like it.
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ReplyDeleteMatt Maiocco
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Jimmy Garoppolo knows at this point he is a short-timer and the club has already decided they’d rather have a rookie over him for the long term. His trade value this offseason is significantly higher with two years on his contract that it would be with just one year on his deal.
Not sure why MM tweeted this. Is Jimmy currently worth his contract to other teams?
DeletePatriots have been sniffing around. I could still see a trade happening this year.
DeleteI'd think that it's important to ShanaLynch that they win as many games as possible and go deep into the play-offs in 2021 than increase Jimmy's trade value marginally.
DeleteMaiocco is moving progressively away from just being a day-to-day beat reporter for NBCSN (JLC may get that gig) towards more of a hot take Twitterer.
Not sure how that is a hot take. I agree with MM, JGs trade value will likely be higher now than next year. Next offseason everyone will know the 49ers won't be keeping him because they won't sit their #3 overall pick for 2 years. This offseason they can at least play the card that they want him as a bridge.
DeleteWhy would Jimmy's trade value decline if he takes the Niners deep into the playoff next season? That makes no sense whatsoever. Contrary to fan opinion, JG is a pretty good starting QB and will fetch an early second round pick from a QB-needy team if he can stay healthy and play at the same level he has played in the past.
DeleteMM's commentary was written quickly in response to the breaking news of the trade with the primary purpose of attracting attention. That is the dictionary definition of hot take.
It depends on whether you expect him to become better than he has been. If he plays lights out then sure, his trade value probably goes up. But the more likely scenario is we see more of the same, which is competent but not great.
DeleteIf that's the case, unless for some reason there are heaps of teams chasing a competent but not great starting QB next year, his trade value is likely to be highest when teams feel they actually have to entice the 49ers to trade him. Not when they know the 49ers have no intention of keeping him on the roster that year.
I felt very confident that the 49ers would take a QB high after the moves they made in FA, but didn't think they'd go this high!
ReplyDeleteFor anyone that still had thoughts the team believed in JG, this is the dagger in the heart for those thoughts. At best he is now a bridge. 49ers will use him to recoup the future picks they've given up, either this year or next.
In terms of who... you don't make this move hoping for Lawrence or Wilson. Lance or Fields could definitely be in play. Lance would be my tip. But I agree with Simms... I'm not ruling out Jones either. He screams Shanahan.
What is clear though is the team believes there are at least 3 franchise QBs in the draft.
JG may say hey, the dagger in the heart has been thrown, I have no future with the Niners trade me now...
DeleteHe may. He now knows exactly what they think of him - he's their stopgap until they have their guy.
DeleteYup they made it loud and clear, no doubt about that. BB is in JG's ear no doubt.
DeleteJohn Lynch went window shopping in Provo Utah this morning to watch Zach Wilson’s pro-day.
ReplyDeleteI see Maverick Lynch making a move to garner the #2 pick to guarantee a shot at Wilson.
No talks with Jets before trade.
Deletehttps://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1375531922538049536
DAMN! I hate to admit it, but I was WRONG!
DeleteThe 9er FO fooled me, I did not think they would do it, but they did. They traded up for their QBOTF.
Excuse me while I microwave some CROW!
So the question now is, who do the 9ers draft?
The way I see it:
#1: Jax drafts Clemson QB Trevor Lawrence
#2: NYJ draft BYU Zack Wilson. But they may not, instead drafting LSU WR Ja’Marr Chase.
#3: SF 49ers: If NTJ draft Chase, Lynch drafts Zack
Wilson. If NYJ draft Wilson, Lynch drafts Ohio St. QB Justin Fields.
MERRY DRAFTMAS 9ER FANS, CHRISTMAS X2 COME A LITTLE LATE THIS YEAR....
DeleteMood: No "talks" doesn't mean they didn't inquire. As I said earlier, I think there is a good chance they will try to move up to #2 if the Jets are willing. The lack of a trade now might just mean that the Jets aren't sure which direction they are going in the draft.
DeleteI'd be shocked if there was literally no discussion at all with the Jets. Even if it was just a chat between friendly head coaches to gauge interest.
DeleteBut I think the fact no formal talks happened is a clear sign of the Jets plans at 2, so I think any trade up from 3 is a pipe dream.
Cubus,
Deletei understand that they may have inquired. I tale Schefter to mean that the Jets told the Niners that they did not intend to trade their pick.
Yes, cubus, I wouldn’t put anything past Lynch.
ReplyDeleteI believe we were all surprised with today’s draft positioning. And who knows, maybe we can pique Houston’s interest in a deal for Watson now.
Today’s move could just be a precursor for something much bigger in the next month.
"This could turn out to be a huge immediate blow to the Seahawks if the 49ers hit a home run on their pick, as they will have cap space and a QB on a rookie contract for the next five years possibly, hurting the Seahawks chances in an already tough division."
ReplyDeletehttps://www.fieldgulls.com/2021/3/26/22352652/san-francisco-49ers-trade-the-farm-acquire-3rd-overall-pick-miami-dolphins-2021-nfl-draft
Absolutely! This is what you and I (and a few others) have been saying since mid last season. If they were able to keep the vast majority of the roster together (which they did) and get their QBOTF (which is clearly their aim) this team is set for the next few years to be a force.
DeleteRegardless of which QB they take, I strongly believe (and I will die on this hill) they are going into the best situation of any of the top QBs drafted this year. They will have the best chance for success. They will have a strong supporting cast, great offensive mind, and in all likelihood won't be thrown to the wolves if they aren't ready.
ReplyDeleteAnd, they should be able to extend both Warner and Bosa.
DeleteYep, exactly.
DeleteYep. And the trade itself really isn't that bad. The 49ers are giving up two first round picks to move up to #3 from #12. The third round pick is the Saleh comp pick, which, if you want to put a positive spin on it, was a happenstance additional pick.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if this trade doesn't happen if the team hadn't been able to resign T.W.
The trade is good but contingent on getting the pick right. If they get their long term franchise QB its a great move. If they end up with a Goff or Wentz, its still ok because they would have a capable starter on a cheap contract. If the guy is awful, that's a lot to give up and will set the team back a ways.
DeleteThe TW signing was critical to this move.
"The trade is good but contingent on getting the pick right."
DeleteOf course. But when you're dealing with people just about anything can happen. Even a guy like Lawrence might go off the rails for some totally unexpected reason. Doesn't mean that they shouldn't take a risk, just that it is a risk. Or look at what is happening to Watson.
Although I think Watson is a huge risk, I wonder if they're thinking about taking that risk given the current situation (i.e. Houston might be willing to give him up for the 3rd pick and maybe Jimmy G.).
Sure, I'm just pointing out that there is definitely potential this ends up a bad trade, that sets the team back. Giving up three firsts to move up is a lot. It's a risk. A risk I believe they are right to take, and that they will likely end up with a guy that is at least a competent starter in this offense by year 2, which given the cost controlled nature of the rookie contract will make the trade worth it.
DeleteWould the Texans prefer pick 3 or three 1st round picks?
Three 1st round picks for, Mac Jones is ridiculous. He might end up being the best in this draft, but if he's their guy, I gotta say that's the worst trade in NFL history after the, Ricky Williams trade on paper.
DeleteRazor and Scooter: Why are you saying 3 first round picks. It's only two picks that were "given up". The other pick is a swap to a higher first round pick.
DeleteTwo 1st round picks. Not for, Mac Jones. Trey Lance? You betcha!
DeleteIn the end it adds up to three 1st's and change for a quarterback that has a, Daniel Jones ceiling. There's no way in hell that's the hill, Shanny is planting his flag on.
DeleteCubus, because its 3 firsts "to move up". 3 for 1.
DeleteRazor, if Jones ends up the best in the draft why does it matter? If that's the guy he believes in I am absolutely fine with it. But I agree it probably won't be him. Just not ruling it out.
Scooter, I already said he could end up being the best in the draft but as of the day of the draft it would look more ridiculous than, Gettleman taking, Daniel Jones top 10, because you are literally spending THREE 1st's on the same player.
DeleteAs for Mac Jones having a Daniel Jones ceiling, that is your opinion. Who knows what Kyle thinks. If that is also how Kyle sees Mac then yeah, they aren't taking him. If he sees Mac as Matt Ryan or better then yeah, he's definitely a possibility at 3.
DeleteOne thing I am certain about - Kyle Shanahan doesn't give two $h!t$ about what people think of what they do, or whether people on the outside think they have made a ridiculous move.
DeleteIf he believes in Mac Jones then he absolutely will be fine taking him at 3.
Ha, ha! What are the chances Kyle Shanahan sees Mac Jones as the better prospect than Trey Lance? Hmmm...1:10?
DeleteI don't know razor. Neither do you. Don't pretend otherwise. All I do know is that Mac Jones looks an awful lot like the QBs Shanahan has coveted previously. Far more so than Lance.
DeleteMaybe his praise of Allen was an insight into the type of QB he now wants. Maybe it was just a coach saying nice things about an opposing QB, like happens all the time. Again, we don't know, and lets not pretend we do.
I have an opinion and my opinion is it is without a doubt, Trey Lance. I do not have one iota of doubt. I am fully confident in my opinion. Everything points to him. He would be the first overall pick in another draft. Mac Jones would never be a 1st overall pick. The NFL is moving towards the next gen qb, and, Trey Lance will pair his elite potential with an elite play caller to produce an offense that can compete with the Rams', Stafford and the, Seahawks', Wilson, and the Cardinals', Murray of the division. Ultimately, it's as simple as that, Scooter. No pretense, just pure logic.
DeleteYes, and I follow your logic. But I'm telling you, do not rule out Shanahan falling in love with Jones. My logic is that he is exactly the type of QB we already know Kyle loves. Simple logic there. No projection needed.
DeleteMM lays out what I have been saying for awhile. The team was clearly not invested in JG as their future QB even before this trade, but the trade just confirms it. And while having JG to start this year seems like it could be a nice bridge... how much rope would he really be given? How long would it be before he is replaced anyway?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/how-jimmy-garoppolos-future-impacted-49ers-blockbuster-trade?amp&__twitter_impression=true
The rookie will get training camp until the trade deadline to prove he's good enough to trade, Jimmy. Mahomes wasn't able to do it the first year with, Alex. I think they're about as similar situations as you could possibly get as far as recent NFL examples.
DeleteShanny+Jones=More of the same(elite+average starter ceiling)
ReplyDeleteShanny+Lance=Next level offense(elite+elite potential)
Let me put it this way. Shanny loved Josh Allen. Thought about moving up for him. Who in this draft other than, Lawrence and Wilson remind you of, Allen? For mine, it's clearly, Trey Lance. He's your next quarterback. Not, Mac Jones.
When asked about his familiarity with Allen from the draft process, Shanahan said he wished the Wyoming product was available in the 2017 draft before the 49ers acquired QB Jimmy Garoppolo.
ReplyDelete“It was him with a number of other guys, guys I was hoping were going to come out earlier, but they didn’t and so we looked at guys more that year and next year we had Jimmy,” Shanahan said.
Stop the press, head coach praises opponent QB!
Delete"We’re coaching like we’re playing against Carson Wentz, who is one of the better quarterbacks in this league. He was the best player in the league the year they won the Super Bowl. I think he’s done a lot of good things since. I know his numbers aren’t great this year and I know a lot of people are saying things about him, but when I watched the film, I’d see Carson Wentz. He’s a guy who can make a lot of plays. He’s very hard to take down, he’s got a strong arm, he competes as much as anyone in this league. I’ve got a ton of respect for him and anytime you get picks and stuff, which aren’t always on the quarterback, but when numbers are like that, that just goes with the territory. I would tell someone like that it would be somewhat easy to deal with because perception doesn’t have to be your reality. He’s a hell of a quarterback and I know how this league feels about him.”
"He's as good as advertised," Shanahan said Friday morning on KNBR's Murph & Mac show. "The skillset that he has, with his mentality, you don't see many guys that big, who can run that fast, who also have the mentality to run people over. So, if you sit there and think he's going to go down easy, you're going to get extremely embarrassed because he can run you over.
Delete"You better bring it on him, and if he decides to slide, that's the hardest thing about it because to have the mentality to not get trucked by basically a truck coming at you, you've got to bring it and match it. And if they go down at the last second, you've got to do everything you can to not touch the guy. It's a very fine line with that. But if you go in there with any hesitation against a guy with that size and that speed, you're in trouble."
“I don't think you have one certain thing you're looking for,” Shanahan said.”You're just trying to find a guy who is better than about 98-percent of the people on this planet or in this country and when you find that, you get him and you adjust to him.
It's, Trey Lance, Scooter. I'm telling you, it's, Trey Lance.
Wow, he said nice things about the QB they were about to play.
DeleteEveryone takes that quote about finding the guy that is better than 98% of people on the planet as meaning he wants an athlete. Not at all what he said.
He has also said, and I am paraphrasing, that everyone wants Tom Brady at QB, but if you could get a mobile Brady you would take that guy. But Brady without the mobility has shown he is better than every other QB out there.
Shanny has seen the light. He's not trading up to 3 just to prove a point. He could have sat tight at 12, ordered Jimmy John's and still gotten, Mac Jones.
DeleteIf you say so, it must be true?
DeleteIt's called an opinion. You say it's, Jones. Ok. I say it's, Lance. If, Prime were around I'd put $400 on, Lance. Boveda likes, Lance by 2000+ over Jones.
DeleteI'm just razzing you razor. You state your opinion like its fact, so I give you grief 😁
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Lance
First 3 off the board. Easy, peasy pick for new Falcons GM Fontenot.
I told you we were in a qb arms race in the NFC West and we're 'bout to build our own model.
ReplyDeleteDan Orlovsky, who played under Kyle with the Texans, just posted a video on Twitter where he outlined the two physical traits Kyle Shanahan always stressed in team meetings and "loves" in a QB: (1) a natural, fluid throwing motion and (2) upper body torque to be able throw accurately downfield without a strong, set base because you can't always set your feet in the NFL.
ReplyDeleteThe two guys he sees at the top of the draft that fit Kyle's desired traits? Zach Wilson and Mac Jones.
Yep, but he didn't need to trade up to #3 for Jones. No one else puts three 1st round picks on that ability as a priority other than, Kyle Shanahan. That's why these arguments make no sense.
DeleteHow do you know this? Because you wouldn't take him there?
DeleteYou have repeatedly said the team should be aggressive in getting the QB they want. But what, if that QB is someone you feel could have lasted longer you now think they shouldn't be aggressive?
If Shanahan wants Jones, why should he think another team doesn't feel the same way?
Doesn't make sense. No team was taking Jones that high. Haven't heard anything remotely like that. He's been the most hyped up top 12 pick in quite some time. I don't even remember, Daniel Jones being talked about as a top 10 pick, but, Mac Jones is a 2nd round talent all day long. Most assumed a team would move into the lower half of round 1 to take him, but top 10? C'mon man.
DeleteHaven't heard anything like that from who...? NFL media? We have no idea how teams rate these guys.
DeleteAnd FWIW, Jones, btw, has been discussed as a possible top 10 pick for a while. I think NFL media have been getting wind the teams are higher on him than the "experts" in the past couple of months. He has steadily been climbing the media draft boards. And it is no coincidence that many media guys are saying Jones shouldn't be ruled out as the 49ers target.
Ok, we'll see. But I would bet my last dollar bill that, Jones is not the pick. That's my final answer. No way in hell. I don't care how you justify it, whether it be hush circles whispering how good he is or media missing his greatness, but I don't see it, I don't hear it from anyone other than someone that has Kyle Shanahan's initials tattooed on his body.
DeleteI am not willing to bet anything at this point. I can see the argument for any of Lance, Fields or Jones.
DeleteEnd of the day I just like that the 49ers have the nads to make this move and get their guy, whoever it is.
Having the nads is one thing. Having the nads without being a drongo is quite another.
DeleteMeh, if it is Jones and he ends up being like Matt Ryan, the 49ers wouldn't be drongos for taking him at 3. If they take Lance or Fields and they flame out while Jones is a good pro, they are drongos. Let's see how it plays out.
DeleteThat's another thing, Scooter. Trey Lance's running ability will draw many flags when he decides to all of a sudden slide and he gets hit. 1st down! Mac Jones can't give you that.
ReplyDeleteAnd that makes him the superior player?
DeleteHe's rare. He can operate this offense and add a running threat and throw outside making defenses play on their heels instead of on their toes like they are able to do against the Jimmy's and the Jone's.
DeletePlus as enamored as you are with mental processing and football acuity, as you should be, I'm surprised you're no longer touting, Lance's maturity in that regard. Question for you, what part of, Jones' game is superior?
DeleteAhhh, you are misinterpreting what I am saying here. I'm saying don't rule out Jones. I'm saying Lance's ability to run and be an athlete doesn’t make him better than Jones.
DeleteAs for who I prefer - I have already said previously I prefer Jones. But not by much. Jones is a more accurate passer and processes information faster than Lance from everything I have seen, but don't take that to mean I think Lance is bad in this area. I think Jones can run everything Kyle wants to run at a very high level very quickly in his career. Lance is a bit more of a projection but has higher athletic upside.
Being fine with, Jones at 12 is a far cry from being fine with him using three 1st's to take him at 3! Over, Lance?! That's cray, cray.
DeleteCray cray... to you. To Kyle? Maybe not.
DeleteCan he really have his head that far up his system to not only pass on a talent like, Lance but to do it in such a cavalier fashion for a player like, Jones? He's betting his coaching career in San Francisco on, Mac Jones? I just can't believe it. He's already got, Mac Jones.
DeleteFor the record, Scooter. We would have beaten the snot out of, Tom Brady and the, Buccaneers with the 2019 team.
ReplyDeleteAnd yet they beat the Chiefs in the SB...
DeleteYep, without their starting tackles, and a qb with turf toe. Jone's is not Brady no matter how many times people say it.
DeleteThe 49ers are taking a major gamble and it was unnecessary. Trading major draft capital for a shot at a rookie QB rarely works out at least it hasn't in recent years anyway and if they are wrong it will blow any chance of contending for a SB for the next number of years. If they are worried about JG not staying healthy fine I get that, but you sign or trade for a good backup if that's the case. If he flames out or gets injured again you can deal with it next year when there will likely be multiple veteran QB's available or the draft if you don't like those options. Now they have put themselves in a position where they are taking a gamble on an inconsistent but talented QB from a school that doesn't usually produce NFL QB's (Fields), a one year starter from a lesser conference with the knowledge that few one year starters in College turn into viable NFL starters, and another one with a little more than one year as a starter who they likely didn't need to trade up this far to get (Jones).
ReplyDeleteI didn't like this idea when it was speculated about earlier in the offseason and still don't like it now but hey what do I know? Just hope for the best I guess.
You think it's, Fields? I don't think he fits as good as, Lance.
DeleteHey Notanexpert. As you say, if they are worried about JGs health, this move makes no sense. So that should tell you all you need to know about whether this move is about JGs health.
DeleteI know we've argued about this previously, but for mine this was always the likely outcome. The team has been flagging this by their actions for more than a year. What they say and what they do are not always aligned.
We've also discussed whether drafting a rookie QB in the first is worth it. Yes, there are plenty that don't work out. But I have outlined how seldom teams win without either a franchise QB or a 1st round QB on a rookie deal. And don't discount how big an influence the situation the rookie QB goes into has regarding whether they pan out, and I can't see a better situation for a top 3 pick rookie QB than landing with the 49ers.
I know we've also argued about whether this QB class is any good. All I can say is that most draft experts have consistently praised the QB class this year, and it is sure looking like NFL teams feel the same way.
I agree Lance is probably the better fit. I just threw out the 3 options it would be. Of the three I would prefer Lance like you but I have a funny feeling there is a real possibility that it could be Jones. This front office/HC has a tendency to eschew value when making transactions so it would not surprise me to learn they traded up for him.
DeleteScooter McG good on you for being on the same side as the team apparently is. I don't make predictions just voice an opinion and that still hasn't changed. They have put themselves in a precarious position where they have to be right or the house collapses and they didn't have to do it. If it works out, great we have the unicorn of success in a franchise QB on a rookie contract. But if they choose poorly, it's probably a few years of futility while trying to justify the pick followed by a rebuild or at least a lower level of contention.
DeleteAs far as the class of QB's goes I didn't say it wasn't any good. I said it was a class full of inexperience which is scary when you are looking for the future at the position. We'll see how it works out but as I said I'll be hoping for the best.
Yeah, didn't mean that to be an "I told you so" or chest beating comment. But hard to reply to your comment without covering ground we haven't already discussed.
DeleteFor me it isn't about being "right" or being on the same side as the team. I couldn't give a rats. Yes, you gave your opinion and I gave mine. In this instance it seems the team's opinion falls more in line with where my thoughts are at. Hopefully in future we can continue to do so in the civilised manner we were able to find after the first few exchanges.
Yes, if they choose poorly this move has the potential to set the team back. Keeping JG and not finding a viable QBOTF also has the potential to set the team back.
NAE: A QB on a rookie contract gives the team the ammo they need to extend Warner and Bosa. The strategy would seem to be to have multiple expensive stars on both sides of the ball (Williams, Kittle, Bosa, Warner).
DeleteAnd I guess you could include Armstead for now - Kinlaw possibly down the road.
DeleteI would add Justin Fields to the list of possible QBs options.
ReplyDeleteFields is accurate, intelligent, has good field vision and of course, crazy speed.
Fields’ completion percentage is 1st tier worthy and his 4.4 40 immediately makes him one of the fastest QBs in the soon to be NFL.
Some football analysts compare him to Cam Newton, but I don’t have an issue with that.
Plus, Fields (if he’s Lynch’ target) would have Shanahan in his corner.
I'm telling you guys the Mahomes' and Allen's have help, Shanny move on from his antiquated ways:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1375500421184245767
So Kyle Shanahan gets to see, Wilson, Murray and Goff up close twice a year and you're telling me he's choosing, Goff? That's essentially what you're saying if you really believe he's trading up to pick 3 for, Mac Jones.
ReplyDeleteLets see around this time few years ago the Niners inquired about JG when he was with the Patriots and were told no way...
ReplyDeleteI wouldn’t be a bit surprised if it’s Mac Jones but I don’t like giving up that much for him. Fields is also a possibility... and while I’ve admittedly preferred Lance they are both more accurate and ready right away. To me if you give up 3 first rounders you have to be able to capitalize on the rookie QB by year 2 at the latest. Otherwise, that window will close with his second contract when you can’t keep your vets due to his salary and don’t have high end cheap rookies to keep you afloat.
ReplyDeleteI go with Razor, what have all the big time qb's? POISE
ReplyDeleteWhat is one of the biggest traits of Lance? Yes POISE