Brock Purdy Career NFL Ranks since merger(among 339 QB with 400+ attempts) Rank Pass Rating 108.9 1st Comp pct 68.1% 1st Yards/Att 8.8 1st Pass TD/Att 6.7% 1st
Looking more and more like Shanny has found his franchise quarterback to me. What say you?
Purdy's tight-window throw percentage is 10.8%, which is third lowest in the NFL, a sign that he isn't often forcing the ball to someone who isn't open. For context, Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes has the lowest percentage in the league in this category.
Team reminds me of the 1984 Niners with Tyler and Craig. Wouldn't surprise me if they ran 21 personnel that much too.
As of 11/12/2023 BP and the 9ers are 6W and 3L
ReplyDelete* To be considered the 9ers "franchise quarterback" QB, BP must win 6 of the next 8 games, including beating Seattle at Levi's.
* He can lose away games to the Eagles and Seattle, but then must beat the Eagles and Dallas in the playoffs and get to the SB!
* If BP loses in the playoff, he'll be the 9ers QB, but until he takes the 9ers to a SB, IMO, he won't be considered a "franchise QB."
NOTE: The 9ers organization considers winning a SB to be their "standard of excellence!"
Purdy is the most promising QB since the drafting of Montana. He hasn't established himself as the franchise QB as of yet but he is sure heading in that direction.
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DeleteShanahan said that Williams' ankle "wasn't close to 100 percent," but that he avoided any aggravation of the original injury during the win.
"No setbacks," Shanahan said. "Hopefully he'll continue to get better this week."
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ReplyDeleteDo you agree, BP must get the 9ers to a SB before 9er FO and fans accept him as a "franchise QB?"
THREE EXAMPLES:
* Steve Young had to win a SB before he "got the monkey off his back" and was considered the 9er "franchise QB."
* Jeff Garcia was a top 5 NFL QB (2000 - 2002). He holds the 9er record for most passing yards in a season and is the only QB in franchise history to throw more than 30 touchdown passes in a season 2 years in a row. Yet he wasn't a 9er "franchise QB"
* Kaepernick was one catch away from winning a SB, yet he was never considered a "franchise QB."
Geep,
DeleteDo you think CK would have been considered a "franchise QB" if the 9ers would have won that SB?
I never really considered Young or Garcia nor Kaepernick as franchise QB's. Not sure if getting to the Super Bowl is the total criteria for a franchise QB. As you pointed out Kaepernick went and he never would have been considered a franchise QB and he was drafted by the Niners. In fact I would go so far as to say Alex Smith was more of a franchise QB than the above three due to being drafted by the Niners and his longevity with the team. No I am not saying AS is a franchise QB.
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ReplyDelete* Do I think CK would have been considered a "franchise QB" if the 9ers would have won that SB?" NO OC, I don't.
1) Never learned to read the defense. Could only Read 1/2 the field 2) His delivery was slow due to winding up like a BB pitcher. The speed also made it hard for receiver to catch the ball and he never learned to develop "touch."
3) Never learned to trust his O-Line and let plays develop. Was too quick to depend on his legs and run the ball.
** Just curious what you think? Did I leave anything out, or anything you disagree with?
Geep,
DeleteI have a different theory on why CK's career went to hell. I believe that sometime during the 2014 season he developed a terrible case of the yips. He could no longer pull the trigger and ended up holding on to the ball too long and just throwing the ball away. He climbed inside his own head and never came out. I think a good example of this in another sport is basketballs Ben Simmons.
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ReplyDeleteThat is an Interesting theory that I've never heard of before. I Would appreciate you sharing any articles or information that alludes to that theory, if you know of any?
If your theory is true, do believe Kaepernick " developed a terrible case of the yips," because of the poor O-Line plays, especially pass protection?
Kaepernick had a foot injury during Week 2 game against Seattle, that he said affected his ability to run? Other than that, I'm not aware of any injury that would affect him physically or mentally?
Here is an old article that contains most, if not all, of the possible reasons for the 49ers and Kaepernick's 2014 season demise;
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2296050-what-went-wrong-for-the-san-francisco-49ers-in-the-2014-season#:~:text=The%20lack%20of%20continuity%20of%20the%20offensive%20line%20is%20a,has%20even%20regressed%20this%20season.
Geep,
DeleteI have a friend who was a college basketball coach. He quit in his late 40s and started practicing as a sports psychologist. He worked for the Warriors for quite a few years. He was the person who told me that CK looked just like a player exhibiting the on field behavior that goes along with the yips (thats my term he uses a clinical term)
Down goes Zakelj
ReplyDeleteYes. Unfortunately, Zakelj season ends with a torn biceps. * RT McKivitz is also dealing with ankle and knee injuries. He was limited in practice on Wed.
ReplyDelete* Looks like Feliciano will be rotating with Burford when Banks returns?
If Banks returns. Turf toe can be a career ender.
ReplyDelete$6 and my right nut says Shanny's calling up Henry Byrd from the practice squad to replace Zakelj.
ReplyDeleteThe Wikipedia definition of a franchise player is “ In professional sports, a franchise player is an athlete who is both the best player on their team and one that the team can build their "franchise" around for the foreseeable future.”
ReplyDeleteThis seems like a much better definition than what’s been mentioned above. There might be some debate on wether he is the best player on the team but he is clearly the most essential player on the team and based on his first 17 games, I’m pretty sure the Niners are salivating over the prospect of having him on the roster for maybe 15 years.
Based on this definition, I think he already is a franchise QB. I doubt the Niners would trade him for any other QB in the league.
While Purdy has shiny stats, and the talent to become franchise QB in the league, I won't give him that crown until after a couple more seasons.
ReplyDeleteI respect Wikipedia and PFF. But I pump the brakes on franchise label for now.
Here's why. Purdy lost games with Trent and Deebo out. Add to that, he also lost when CMC has rushed for less than 60 yards. When Purdy can carry the team and win with key players out of the lineup, he will show me that he's earned the franchise label.
That sounds very arbitrary and no standard at all.
DeleteActually, the standard for franchise QBs is written throughout the history of the NFL. Johnnie Unitas, Bart Starr, Kenny Stabler, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Kenny Anderson, Joe Montana, Brett Farve, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Namath, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes and many others. Tell me, where does Brock Purdy fit in this group?
DeleteLike I said, I'll give Pudy a couple of more seasons to earn the franchise QB label.
AES
DeleteThat's quite a list.
Purdy has tied Dan Marino's record for multiple passing TD's and 0 Int's in a players first 15 starts. (7 games each)
ReplyDeleteFelix November 16, 2023 at 1:23 PM
ReplyDeleteThe Wikipedia definition of a franchise player is “ In professional sports, a franchise player is an athlete who is both the best player on their team and one that the team can build their "franchise" around for the foreseeable future.”
If that's the "DEFINITION" of a franchise player, then the following 9er players are franchise players, and we can disagree WHO the "best player" is....Christian McCaffrey, Deebo Samuel, Brandon Aiyuk, George Kittle, Kyle Juszczyk, Trent Williams, Arik Armstead, Javon Hargrave, Nick Bosa, Fred Warner and Talanoa Hufanga! But only one, by definition, can be the "BEST."
I would agree that Brock Purdy is a damn good QB, but I'm with AES.
Brock Purdy is a future "franchise player."
When BP plays more than one full season, puts the 9ers on his back, and is responsible for wining a division title, then I will that agree he deserves consideration for being known as a franchise QB. BUT IMHO, "consideration" is not the standard, for a franchise QB.
A franchise QB means he's proven himself and excelled and at the highest level. The highest level In the NFL is the SB!
When BP takes the 9ers to the SB, then IMO. he's earned, not been given, the right to be known as a franchise QB. IMO, that is also the 9er standard for a QB.....IE Montana and Young.
Geep, I’ll stick with the Wikipedia definition. It’s easy to understand and is clearly focused on the player. Throwing things like the SB make no sense since that’s a team stat. Some average and not so average QB’s have played in SB’s.
DeleteI argue that Purdy is the best player on the team because he has had the biggest effect on the team. If you were building a team, which player on the team would you take over Purdy?
"If you were building a team, which player on the team would you take over Purdy?"
DeleteThats a jaded question, because Purdy is surrounded by one of the most talented offenses in football.
I would answer your question with another one. Would Rodgers, Brady, Brees even Cousins win in this system? YES! Brock has a great advantage playing with the 49ers. When he can still win with key players out, he will have earned my respect. He's the 49ers QB, and always cheer for him. But he must accomplish more than nice stats for me to recognize him as a franchise QB.
FelixNovember 17, 2023 at 12:08 PM
DeleteA) "I argue that Purdy is the BEST PLAYER on the team? NOPE! That would be one of the players I listed above. B) he has had the biggest effect on the team. LOL
* When the 9ers are winning BP wins! When the 9ers are winning he's great. But when the 9ers are losing, he struggles. BP goes as the 9er team goes.
NOTE: 9er 3 game losing streak. Did BP put the 9ers on his back and pull out a 9er win, or throw int's and the 9ers lost?
C) If you were building a team, which player on the team would you take over Purdy? IMO, that would be either TW or Bosa.
QUESTION: Has Brock Purdy been selected as an ALL PRO? NO!. When he's named an ALL PRO, we can discuss if he's the
BEST PLAYER on the team.
Raz,
ReplyDeleteThat's a nice accomplishment for Brock. But, I don't qualify that as putting him in the same group of franchise QBs, I listed above. At stage in their careers, I won't even put Josh Allen and Justin Herbert in that group.
Dan Marino had success over the span of many seasons. The other QBs, I listed also had successful careers that spaned many years.
Brock may join that group one day. But this topic will have more meat after 3-5 years, imo.
above. I don't even view a good
. QB like Justin Herbert in that group yet. And I'll include Josh Allen as
Sorry, for the writing format. I'm not liking my new Galaxy Phone, right now.
ReplyDeleteAES. You are arguing something completely from franchise QB. You are arguing sustained success. Of course Purdy doesn’t match those other QB’s for sustained success, but how does he stack up with those other guys thru their first 17 games? I’d guess, he’d rank pretty high. You do believe that the chargers don’t consider Justin Hebert their franchise quarterback? I’m pretty sure Shanahan looks at Purdy as their franchise QB.
ReplyDeleteSo, if Brock were to suddenly retire today, would you still consider him a franchise QB?
DeleteYou can't measure a franchise QB unless he's had sustained success and longevity. Purdy is nowhere near that category at this time in his career. My contention with him being called a FQB is that he's yet to prove he can carry the team with key players not playing. That time could come. But all the nice stats don't cover up for those loses (without key players) at the moment, at least in my personal opinion.
I go by Wikipedia’s definition of a franchise player which makes sense. Basically a franchise player is one who’s skill and leadership ability are at a level that the team has no desire to move on from that player. Do some google searches and you will find definitions similar to what Wikipedia describes or that I have described. It’s not a forever designation. At some point Purdy’s skill will deteriorate and he’ll no longer be a franchise quarterback. Russel Wilson was once a franchise Quarterback with Seattle. I doubt Denver views him as such.
DeleteThan according to the Wikipedia theory, we would have to conclude that after CK's Super Bowl appearance, he qualified as a FQB. Do you agree?
DeleteAES. What are you talking about? Maybe you should read the Wiki definition. You’re the one that brings up super bowls in this conversation. It has nothing to do with being a franchise player.
DeleteThe wikipedia definition is for a franchise player not a franchise QB. I tried to find a definition of franchise QB and found too many to count. It seems to me that there is no common definition for franchise QB. I agree with AES being a SB QB could be one of the parts of being a franchise QB but it doesn't eliminate a QB from "franchise" as I strongly believe that Dan Fouts was a franchise QB. To make it simple I think a QB has to be considered top 5 to top 8 to be a franchise QB. I don't think BP is considered top 5-8 but he may be by the end of the season.
DeleteThe key word is franchise. The franchise is committed to him for the foreseeable future. It doesn’t mean he’s elite or top 5 at his position, it just means that he is a top player on that team and the franchise is committed to keeping him. In the case of Purdy, he is clearly playing at an elite level and clearly playing in the top 5 but time will tell if he is labeled as elite or a top 5 QB.
DeleteOpps not anonymous but Felix
ReplyDeleteAll I know is that Purdy's level of play would need to fall dramatically over next season and a half to not get extended after his 3rd year. Which there is no reason to believe will happen.
ReplyDeleteAnd in today's QB market, any extension would likely mean the team wouldn't financially be able to move off him for another 2-3 years after that.
So regardless of whether you want to label him a franchise QB, he's almost certainly going to be the QB of this franchise for at least another 4-5 years.
Shanny can't say enough good things about him.
DeleteIf I recall. Shanahan also spoke highly of Jimmy G. But that being said, I will lean on two thoughts. Brock isn't a franchise QB right now, but I believe that he will be at some point in his career.
DeleteWith that, I'm personally putting this topic to sleep. 😴