Talk is cheap but, 49ers G.M. John Lynch is telling interested teams that he has an offer in hand of two second-round picks for Garoppolo, a player the team acquired in 2017 for one second-round pick. (At least one interested team reacted to the news, we’re told, by concluding that, if the 49ers have two first-round picks for Garoppolo, they should take it.)
If he's got two, thats great, hold that offer and see if anyone counters with anything higher.
ReplyDeleteIts baffling to me to read all the twitter GM's who only think with their (inflated) ego's and hate & say the Lynch should accept that trade immediately. I'd love to buy property for them, they'd sell at the first halfway decent offer without a counter or seeing who else might send an offer over.
You can always accept the two 2nds, but if someone offers up a 1st and a 3rd as a counter you'd be in an even better spot, but none of us would know if Lynch accepted the first offer he received. Also, this might not even be the 1st he's received, he might have been offered a 2nd for JG and someone countered with two 2nds or a 2nd and a 3rd and then was countered back. Let it play out, the draft is a month away and the first game is 5ish months away, theres no rush to get a deal done.
Not to mention the medical due diligence teams must put into his shoulder surgery.
DeleteFlorio "heard" that Joghn Lynch is "telling teams" that the 49ers have an offer of 2 second round picks on the table for Jimmy.
DeleteYah, and I "heard" that we live on a flat earth, so it must be true.
Here's something my father taught me a long time ago: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. If the 49ers have 2 second round picks on the table, and they haven't pulled the trigger on that offer, then John Lynch needs to be fired, IMO!
I'm guessing the 49ers have a conditional 4th round pick, that could become a second round pick, under certain, hard to obtain conditions. Not nearly a good enough offer worth pinching pennies in free agency for, IMO.
DeleteAnd you are wrong eMJay, there is a rush. The longer this takes, the more likely that QB needy teams will have moved in a different direction. That's the problem, in addition to the fact that Jimmy's $26M cap hit is likely hamstringing the 49ers in an important free agency period.
DeleteHere's how this stuff works, in case you are taking notes:
The last thing NFL teams want to do is go into the draft without even knowing where they stand at the most important position on the team. Anyone who actually follows the way this stuff works over the years, would understand this. Apparently you're new at this stuff, and that's OK.
Yea, they were saying the exact same things about Alex Smith, but when they got two 2nd rounders; they were absolutely shocked.
DeleteMust read -
DeleteAP - 3/12/2013: "San Francisco made its trade of Alex Smith to the Chiefs official Tuesday, the FIRST DAY OF THE NEW LEAGUE YEAR -- and nearly two weeks after the 49ers had agreed to it. All that's left is for Smith TO PASS A PHYSICAL and the paperwork to be filed with the league."
Razor, you do see why these two situations are very different, I hope.
OK, let me explain why these situation are very different.
DeleteFirstly: the 49ers already had a "deal-in-principle" in place two weeks ahead of the new league year.
Secondly: All that was left for it to become official at the start of the new league year was for Alex to pass a physical, which he did at 1:43 PM the SAME DAY.
Of course the 49ers traded Alex on the first day of the new league year, because that's, by far, the best way to make a trade at such an important position, for both the 49ers, and the Chiefs. Alex was healthy, and ready to lay the ground work so that he could hit the ground running in OTA's, and be ready to tear it up by the time training camp started.
Jimmy can't do any of these things. Jimmy can't pass a physical until he's much further along in his recovery. And there is a decent enough chance that Jimmy might not even be full-go by training camp.
Also, the 49ers freed up almost $9M of cap space by trading Alex on day one, which was a significant chunk of their salary cap back in 2013. The 49ers used this to go out and sign a few key Free Agents. Not Special Teamers, but actual starters.
Delete49ers 2013 key FA signings:
WR/KR - Ted Ginn Jr
WR - RANDY MOSS (HOF)
OG - Leonard Davis (All-Pro, Pro Bowl)
FS - DASHON GOLDSON (First-Team All-Pro)
Scratch that last part, those are not a list of the Niners 2013 FA signings.
DeleteHere is a partial list (I think):
2013:
NT Ian Williams
WR Mario Manningham
DT Glenn Dorsey
WR Joe Hastings
LB Dan Skuta
@Razor
ReplyDeleteExactly. Just because a Washington jumped the gun on Wentz does not devalue Jimmy...historically (20+ years) bad teams make bad moves all the time. Just because Cleveland traded for a dude who will probably get 6 games minimum, and who will be booed all over the league shows just how poor a franchise they are.
JG had shoulder surgery, its a pretty normal procedure, we know the expected return and there's no real reason to not expect JG back in August without complications...but that does not mean teams won't do their due diligence on it, especially if its a trade and then extension.
And maybe, just maybe, JG didn't want to go to Cle and DC. Pitt would have been a good spot but seems Pitt is looking to play this year out with backups and get a franchise QB next season as this draft is not a qb draft.
And BTW Scooter and Razor, PFF has ranked the 49ers free agency period as AVERAGE, while they rank the Rams ABOVE AVERAGE, and I am pretty sure the idea is to get better than the top team in your division, not worse.
ReplyDeleteWhile I don't hate what the 49ers have done in FA up to this point, I don't see their moves moving the needle" as they say. This is a team that finished 3rd in the NFC West in 2021, and were ultimately knocked off by the top team in their division. One would have hoped moving off of a $26M often-injured QB, to a young QB who is only in the 2nd year of his rookie pay scale, would have allowed the 49ers to be more aggressive in free agency. Unfortunately, most experts understand that it's hard to maneuver in free agency when you have $26M tied up in a player that won't even be on the team come September.
Sorry I am keeping it real guys. Don't let my objective take on the 49ers free agency get in the way of your eternal optimism at all cost, mentality.
DeleteDont think they can get much more than 2 second rounders and maybe extra mid-late round pick but who knows.
ReplyDeleteAnother offseason drama lol.
Lets trust the process maybe...
The point is the sooner he is from the roster the better short term and long term./
Good teams don't spend in F/A. They shored up what cost us games last year. Outside cb, and special teams. There's still work to be done at RT/RG and LG, but I fully expect them to bring in a vet familiar with the system.
ReplyDeleteThat's true or if you have a shot at a real difference maker, but you still need to lock up important players(Bosa,Deebo,...) without moving money to later years cuz that comes back at you,most easy thing to do is move Jimmy G on a reasonable price cuz its not that he is a tone setter at his position.
DeleteYah, it's not like RT, RG, and LG are important positions with a young, first time starter at QB.
DeleteAnd it's not like DJ JONES was a big loss, he was just our best interior run stopper, that's all.
And it's not like RAHEEM MOSTERT was unstoppable in the postseason, or had the highest rushing YPA last time he was healthy.
The 49ers haven't done enough in FA up to this point! Let's all hope that changes!
@Robber but you need to remember the cap grows every year and is expected to balloon in 2023, so niners can and will backload agreements for guys like Bosa and Deebo, as well as set them up so that they can get as much of their pay to not be cap relevant as possible.
DeleteI mean lets trust the dudes who got Kittle, Warner and LT all paid the top of their position as well built a roster that got to two NFC champs in 3 years.
Yea, as a GM I would never pay big money for a guard unless he's just as good in pass pro as he is in the run game. That wasn't Tomlinson. Will it be Banks? We'll see. They drafted him to replace him. It's not like they don't have options either. McKivitz/Skule/Moore all have game experience. The ideal situation is to get Brunskill back in a utility role. They'll sign a vet to add to the competition and then a draft pick. Mostert got stopped on the 2nd play of opening season. You're hyperventilating again!
DeleteAs always, the market determines the value of the commodity. From a distance it looks like the market has soften. However, if you look at it from the eyes of playoff ready teams, Colts and Saints they have to be thinking the commodity is becoming rare...
ReplyDelete"As always, the market determines the value of the commodity."
DeleteNot always under, not with this league. Don't discount panic moves or just plain GM ineptness.
But there are still enough decent qb's available on a decent price.
ReplyDeleteDecent but maybe not starting caliber, with the exception of Mayfield, and the ball comes out of his hand funny. Jimmy isn't elite but he does have an elite trait. That lightning release in a phone booth.
ReplyDeleteAnd just like that, the COLTS are out of the Garoppolo running!
DeleteWhat say you, Razor? lol. I thought the Colts were a lock for Jimmy?
The Falcons got ONE 3rd round pick for Matt Ryan, but we are to believe the 49ers had TWO 2nd round picks on the table for Jimmy?
Like I said, Razor ... if it sounds too good to be true, it likely is!
That's a good trade for both teams, but now Atlanta has to sell to their locker room that they're all in when clearly they're all out. Mariota is not a starting caliber quarterback. I wouldn't get too giddy because I don't think it's going to end favorably for your position.
DeleteAre you really saying that the Falcons might be able to sell to their locker room that they are "all-in" after downgrading from Matt Ryan, who led the league in passing yards not too long ago, to an always-injured Jimmy Garoppolo, who can't even start throwing a football till July?
DeleteYou're making my head spin, Razor.
Atlanta might give the 49ers a conditional 3rd round pick for Jimmy (although I doubt it), but the idea of Atlanta trying to convince their locker room that they are all in on Jimmy, who nobody else seems to want, is laughable, IMO.
Delete@Razor...its hilarious how impatient these people are getting.
DeleteThere are still 5 teams who could want/need Jimmy that we for sure know do not have a starting QB: Seattle, NO, Houston, Carolina and now Atl. Other teams COULD still want a new QB, teams like Det and NYG, heck even Phili or Mia might be in the market, I'd even say Tenn cause I have no faith in Tannehill.
Why these people think theres like a timer as to when the trade happens is beyond me. Same people want him to just get cut, think he's worth nothing in a trade are also saying the niners overplayed their hand? If he's worth nothing, what hand do they think the niners were playing?
Oh, and the Falcons have a record amount of dead cap space now after moving off of Matt Ryan, but they might be "all in" this season if they trade for Jimmy GQ?
DeleteCome on man!
eMJay, I just explained why timing DOES matter. FYI, you're choosing to ignore the facts doesn't change the facts.
DeleteReports: "Colts were concerned about the timeline of Jimmy's recovery"
DeleteHmm, where have i heard that before ..... oh yah, I covered this factor on this blog.
I find the fact that you guys just won't move off of this idea that Jimmy Garoppolo is a desirable option, and are willing to go to the mattress on this idea, despite the reality of the unfolding situation, well .... you guys are redefining the terms HOMERISM and FANATIC!
DeleteAtlanta traded away a starting qb and they're rumored to be interested in a backup called Mariota. Is that clear enough?
DeleteRazor, the Falcons are rebuilding, just so you know.
DeleteRebuilding? They just tried to get Watson. They went from a contender to pretender that fast because they had no choice after how they kicked Ryan to the curb.
Delete"Talk is cheap but, 49ers G.M. John Lynch is telling interested teams that he has an offer in hand of two second-round picks for Garoppolo,.."
ReplyDeleteRazor,
Are you quoting Mike Florio on this? He would not be a reliable source. (I don't want to post the link to the PFT page because I don't want to be contributing to directing traffic to a rumor-mongerer's site).
Not a Florio fan. He's an anti-49er but he's not alone in that report.
DeleteRazor, do you think Florio's report reflects well on the 49ers?
DeleteYou are right, he does seem anti49ers, which is why he's trolling John, Kyle, and the 49ers fan base. Now it seems like whatever the 49ers get for jimmy, will be a letdown compared to this offer of two 2's.
Razor,
DeleteI don't know if Florio is anti-49er -- all I know is that he's pro-clickbait.
Who else have you heard independently mention that offer?
Everyone I heard only say that they "believe" or are guessing.
Dajoni CBS sports. Florio hate the 49ers. He's always talking crap about them.
Delete@Razor/Mood, wasn't florio the dude beating the drum loudest that niners were taking Jones at 3? And the dude who also tried to CYA by saying fan pressure caused Shan/Lynch to change their mind and get Lance?
DeleteFeels like Florio is one of those guys who throws more crap at walls than most.
Yep, and he's the one that was certain Tom Brady would play for the 49ers this year.
DeleteLet me get this straight. Falcons get a measly 3rd, no QB and *still* with a $40M cap hit? Not since Shermans march to the sea has Atlanta seen a spanking like that.
ReplyDeleteSomehow I'm feeling a lot better about JGs $25.5
Yea, I'll grant you Ryan is a better qb than Jimmy, but not that much better.
DeleteColts got the better of that deal IMO. But 5 QBs in 5 years? This could just be another in a string of wasted effort for Indy.
DeleteCross the Saints off the list of possible Jimmy G destinations, as they just re-signed QB Jameis Winston to a two-year, $21M deal.
DeleteRyan is basically Rivers with a better arm.
DeleteShanaLynch are starting to really get roasted now, in the court of public opinion, and Florio's rumor mill isn't helping the situation. It seems that only the most jaded 49ers fanatics are left trying to defend the fact that Jimmy is still on the 49ers payroll, while every other QB needy team looks elsewhere to complete their rosters.
Delete"ShanaLynch" led us out of the wilderness of dysfunction to the promise land. They came up short by one game with, according to you, a less than adequate qb. You'd think they'd get the benefit of the doubt at this point, and at least better respect. It really is crazy.
DeleteOr maybe they're good letting JG be the guy for 2022 and playing Lance even more through out the year.
DeleteFor a team thats been to a SB and been to another NFC Champ game with a certain QB you might be hesitant to completely let a 21 year old take complete control of the team, no matter how talented.
Matt Maiocco: "49ers' options for Jimmy G trade slim after Ryan, Jameis deals"
ReplyDeleteScooter "Mac" McG's radio silence today is very telling, IMO.
ReplyDeleteYou know what the silence is telling me? That I live in Brisbane.
DeleteLooks like the reason the Colts passed was because of Jimmy missing OTA's.
ReplyDeleteYes, and this is one of the main factors that I outlined above, Razor.
DeleteLook up
Of course, this wouldn't be a deal maker if Jimmy had a better reputation as a starting QB, that's for sure.
DeleteI mean it wouldn't be deal "breaker", if Jimmy were actually, you know, "good".
DeleteI'd still take a healthy Jimmy over Mayfield, Mariota and Winston.
DeleteHeck, this probably wouldn't have been a deal breaker if Jimmy were even just "adequate".
DeleteThe problem is that Jimmy is over-paid, injury-prone, and barely average on top of being unable to throw a football till July at the earliest.
I know you would Razor. You've made your opinion of Jimmy quite clear. The problem is that you are a biased 49ers fan, and not an objective GM.
DeleteRazor, would you deal Jimmy to another NFC team? If he's as good as you think he is, isn't that a big risk?
DeleteWait a minute. So the Colts were interested in Jimmy prior to the shoulder injury and you say it wouldn't have been a deal breaker if he'd been adequate. How do you rationalize that statement in your brain, just out of curiosity?
DeleteI would always trade to the highest bidder. I never said Jimmy was so good. I said he's a starting caliber qb with an elite trait, quick release. He also has an intangible, leadership.
Here's another question Razor: Why were the Colts in such a hurry to find their QB? eMJay says there's no rush with these kind of big QB moves.
DeleteRazor, there is a big difference between "interest in Jimmy", and actually being willing to make a trade for him, which brings with it his current contract. Don't you think?
DeleteI think the Colts would be interested in signing Jimmy IF the 49ers released him, or were willing to take a conditional 5th round pick. But that kind of lowball offer is simply insulting, don't you think?
DeleteAnd the Falcons are now signing Mariota. That's game set and match, for your argument, Razor.
DeleteI tried to tell you he was a better option as a FA, but you wouldn't listen. The Colts probably would have signed him, as I said, if they didn't trade for Ryan!
EGG is officially all over Kyle (and John's) face! Yikes!
DeleteI think Jimmy would have been traded if he hadn't injured his thumb, which he then had to protect when taking a sack, and consequently hurt his shoulder.
DeleteThe Colts fleeced the Falcons, and I'm imagine that had a lot to do with the speed in which the deal was made. The Falcons are now the proud owners of the largest dead cap hit in NFL history!
Atlanta’s QB room now:
ReplyDeleteJosh Rosen
Feleipe Franks
DeleteIan Rapoport
@RapSheet
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That was fast: The #Falcons have agreed to a 2-year deal with QB Marcus Mariota.
Mariota
Rosen
Franks
Told you Mariota was a better option as a FA, than Garoppolo, and you wouldn't listen, Razor.
DeleteThat's your opinion and the GM's who just took ownership of the largest dead cap hit in NFL history. Mariota is not even a starting caliber passer in this league.
DeleteThe 49ers aren't getting what they want for JG but they still don't have to make a decision just yet. They can carry his salary until they need to sign their draft picks and extend players before camp.
ReplyDeleteBut I don't think it would be a good move in the locker room to hold onto him beyond the draft.
Could see a draft day trade or they roll the dice on a Sam Bradford scenario.
DeleteThe 49ers might still be able to trade him to the Seahawks, lol. Wouldn't that be apropos?
DeleteWow, just .... WOW!
But don't worry Razor and Scooter, the 49ers are still sitting on an offer of TWO 2's!
DeleteMy buddy just sent me a text. He's thanking ShanaLynch for ruining his birthday, which happens to be today.
DeleteYikes.
Just one more domino, right guys? Just one more. lol
DeleteLocker room during camp is a legitimate concern and will be a good question for Lynch.
DeleteI don't think they should do that to Lance or the rest of the team. I would prefer they make a decision by the draft on either trading or releasing him. But will be interesting to see what they do.
DeleteWelp, they said they have a plan for just that scenario. Very interesting offseason thus far.
Delete38 out of 74 and the beat goes on
ReplyDeleteHaha.
DeleteI'm sorry you don't have anything to add to the conversation "unknown". FYI, this is a blog, not a library!
Delete49Reasons, are you gonna melt down again if Jimmy leads us to another Super Bowl run?
DeleteRazor, Jimmy G is a backup QB now, which is where he probably belongs, so I'm not worried about it.
DeleteAnd no, I'm not ready to resign another season, going into it knowing that the Niners would likely come up short, like we saw last season.
DeleteYea, cause going to the Super Bowl in 3 short years after several years of ineptitude and then coming within a game of doing it again 2 years later is really a drag.
DeleteAgain, the problem is that the 49ers are wasting a chance to go for it with a wide open Super bowl window, by having a young stud QB on his rookie deal.
DeleteWhat a waste!
I want the 49ers to actually win a Super Bowl Razor. Coming up short shouldn't be their best option!
DeleteAgain, holding onto JG right now isn't what is stopping the 49ers from signing players.
DeleteIf they keep Jimmy again this year, it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to argue that trading up for Lance was a good decision. Keeping Jimmy around again is as good as admitting that they blew the Trey Lance draft choice, and everyone agreed at the time that Trey Lance's success, or failure, will determine ShanaLynch's future.
DeleteThis is disastrous, any way you slice it.
"Again, holding onto JG right now isn't what is stopping the 49ers from signing players."
DeleteHow do you know this, Scooter? Common sense says it probably is handcuffing them.
They need their current cap space to sign their draft class, don't they?
DeleteAgreed, Scooter. The front office is valuing Jimmy G's trade value over cap savings. The reason they can is because they have a really good team.
DeleteHow can they spend Jimmy's $26M in cap space if they don't know when/if he's even going to still be on the team this season?
DeleteThat makes ZERO sense, Scooter.
49Reasons, any cap space they might need will come in the form of a Jimmy Ward restructure.
DeleteThen again, this is par for the course for a FO that has screwed up their QB position since year one! Outside of the QB position, they've done really well. Unfortunately QB is the most important position on a team and you have to get it right these day, as the Rams proved last year, and the Bucs did the year before, and the chiefs did the year before that.
DeleteRazor, what do they do with Jimmy's $26M? Carry it over? How would that help them THIS year? That's what I meant when I said the message they were sending is that they are still a year away.
DeleteYou guys just aren't seeing the big picture, and that's unfortunate.
DeleteJimmy's agent - Don Yee, out-maneuvered the 49ers FO. That's embarrassing!
DeleteI'd ask Jimmy to take a pay cut to what I think he's actually worth and that's around $18 million.
DeleteWhy would Jimmy take a pay cut? Maybe he would. But I think he'd rather be cut. I think the play his agent Don Yee made, was that the 49ers would either be stuck paying Jimmy his full 2022 salary, or they would have to cut him. That seems to be the intention.
DeleteIt's simple math 49reasons. The 49ers need around $20M for signing draft picks, doing extensions and in-season cap space. That's the bulk of JGs cap hit.
DeleteBut they don't need it now. So there isn't a rush to get JG off the books financially. The only thing it does is potentially change the order they do business. To free up cap space they need to restructure contracts. But they would need to do that anyway at some point.
Razor, if Jimmy is the backup QB, $18M is still WAY TOO HIGH. If Jimmy is on the team, he's the $26.5M starter. That's my guess.
DeleteScooter, of course they can restructure contracts, but the 49ers HATE doing that. They prefer backloaded deals. Restructuring contracts simply to free up cap space, when they have $26M tied up in Jimmy Garoppolo, is not good business.
DeleteJust cut Jimmy, take the PR hit now, and MOVE the F ON!
DeleteCUT JIMMY G .... CUT JIMMY G .... CUT JIMMY G ....
DeleteBTW Razor, do I need to post Jimmy's postseason numbers again?
DeleteAnd they will get JG's contract off the books. When they need to.
DeleteIf they cut him now then use that money to sign FAs, guess what happens? They then need to restructure deals to sign draft picks, do extensions, etc.
Restructuring good players that you know will be on your team for a long time isn't bad, especially with the cap expected to skyrocket.
DeleteCut a starting qb? A commodity? Dumb. They won't do it.
DeleteJameis, $24M over 2 years, Jimmy $27M over 1 year. That's a no brainer. The Saints were 9-3 last season with Jameis and Taysom under center. If Jameis stays healthy, the Saints make the postseason and the 49ers DON'T!
DeleteYah, until they get hurt, Razor. Then restructuring is really BAD business, especially just to do it because you are misguidedly holding onto a $26M backup QB.
DeleteJimmy isn't a starter in 2022. The league has spoken on that.
The NFL is a business. Lance shouldn't have a problem competing against Jimmy, and the locker room should pledge loyalty to whomever the head coach names the starter.
DeleteAnd if Tartt catches the ball we go to the Super Bowl.
DeleteScooter, the 49ers are only $4M over the cap right now. An extra $26M would be more than enough to sign another impact FA pr two, AND sign their draft picks.
DeleteYea, crab boy/taxi groper is no leader. Good luck with your Saints next year!
DeleteThey can sign an impact FA or two regardless. JG is not the holdup.
DeleteThe Niners are actually LESS than $4M over the cap right now. That's pathetic considering Jimmy is taking up $26M. PATHETIC!
DeleteThe problem is, NOBODY WANTS GAROPPOLO! I don't know what else to say. The 49ers have a $26M QB on their roster THAT NOBODY WANTS< lol. That's embarrassing, to say the least.
DeleteNo Scooter, the 49ers CAN'T sign an impact FA or two, UNLESS they start restructuring contracts, which they have traditionally hated to do. There's a reason they have traditionally balked at restructuring contracts. Why is this such a hard concept to understand? This WAS NOT THE PLAN! The 49ers misjudged the situation, and it's hurting them as a franchise.
DeleteJust admit it and move on, guys! Geesh!
It's more about missing ota's with a new team than the extreme narrative you seem to be on a crusade for.
DeleteAgain, the bulk of JG's contract will go to other things.
DeleteAND, whatever is left over will just be a salary cap credit next year. Which can then be used to offset the money they push into future years through restructures.
You are making a mountain out of a molehill on this point.
I agree they need to get rid of JG's contract. It would have been nice to have it already off the books. But the timing is not as critical as you make out.
I give up. You guys will never admit anything negative about your 49ers. Kyle and john could bench Trey and start Nate Sudfeld and you guys would claim that the 49ers are headed in the right direction!
DeleteYour blog is the epitome of delusional fandom! What a shame! I'm out for now. I'm spending my time where people actually have real opinions.
One more point before I go.
DeleteHaving ONE really good Offensive Lineman doesn't make for a good situation with a young, inexperienced QB slated to take over the reigns.
Its not about being positive or negative. I will readily admit the JG situation is clearly not going how the 49ers wanted or envisaged.
DeleteBut the fact is they do not have to offload him RIGHT NOW for financial reasons.
BTW, I don't mean to disrespect your ability as a sports writer, Scooter. You will always be a brilliant writer. I'm only wish you guys could keep these comments real, that's all.
DeleteBye for now. Go Niners!
I do keep them real. Your disgust with JG won't let you see that though.
DeleteOK, thank you Scooter. At least you admit that. Razor can't even go that far.
DeleteBTW Scooter, I don't mean to be disrespectful, because I really do admire your sports journalism. You really are on top of your game as a writer, and you obviously know your football.
Cheers,
I'll be back.
Sorry, just one more point.
DeleteIf Trey Lance is as good as I think he's going to be, this Jimmy situation will fade into the background by midseason.
Having said that, it's only March 21st, so right now it matters, a lot.
Chow!
And remember when I said it's all about saving face now, when it comes to Jimmy G. Just remember this.
Delete"49Reasons, are you gonna melt down again if Jimmy leads us to another Super Bowl run?"
DeleteLet's hope so. That's the only way to get that guy to STFU for a day or two.
Just opened this now and scrolled through the posts. Don't see anything on who's offering the two second rounders. Would anyone want to venture a guess? My guess is Houston.
ReplyDeleteThe answer is it's NOBODY, George.
DeleteThat's just Mike Florio trolling the 49ers, that's all.
We'll just have to see.
DeleteThe only troll around here is 49R.
DeleteGeorge, my guess is that Florio was handed bad info and absent any other news the entire blogosphere ran with it. Not for the first time.
Pertinent reading. This should be required reading for ALL 49ers Faithful!
Delete"This plan, the way the 49ers are going about this is so stubborn. They cannot accept that their own value of Garoppolo was light years beyond what every other team's was. No one was ever going to trade draft capital and surrender a large chunk of their cap space to take on an average quarterback who can't throw until training camp. It would be completely inadvisable for a team to do so."
"Garoppolo's true market is if he is a free agent where a team doesn't have to forfeit draft picks and can sign him at a smaller number. The best thing the 49ers can do right now is to cut him and go look at free agents who can improve the team like another edge rusher opposite of Nick Bosa or a vertical threatening wide receiver. Literally anything is a better use of cap space than holding onto Garoppolo JUST to get adequate draft capital. But the 49ers will not accept the image of cutting Garoppolo nor trading him for so little. Clinging onto Garoppolo until training camp is certainly a possibility and it grows likelier by the day" - Jose Luis Sanchez III, Sports Illustrated
BTW, Seattle is not a viable Jimmy destination. And the reason has less to do with them being a divisional foe, and more about having DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett on their roster. Ever since Jimmy's infamous miss of Emanuel Sanders in the Super Bowl, Jimmy refuses to throw deep, no matter how wide open his receivers are, and it allows opposing defenses to constrict the field of play. That would never fly in Seattle with DK and Lockett on the roster.
DeleteThe 49ers 2022 QB salary cap allocation as of the second week of free agency: $38,000,000
DeleteAre you kidding me?
If only Kyle Shanahan had the ability to properly evaluate the QB position ... the 49ers would have been unstoppable!
DeleteIf only!
Even Walsh let Montana marinate for 2 years.
Delete
ReplyDeleteMatt Maiocco
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If I were to take a swing, I'd now say the best landing spot for Jimmy Garoppolo is the Texans with Nick Caserio there as GM.
Davis Mills would get all the offseason reps, of course, while Garoppolo continues his four-month rehab from shoulder surgery (March 8).
I've got a feeling he goes to Carolina... and Darnold comes the other way.
DeleteYea, a crazy swap trade wouldn't surprise me in the least.
DeleteI will say if that is the option, unless there is good draft pick compensation I would prefer they just cut JG than take on Darnold's guaranteed salary.
DeleteLike you said, it's going to get very interesting over the next several weeks.
DeleteSI - Jose Luis Sanchez III:
ReplyDelete"This plan, the way the 49ers are going about this is so stubborn. They cannot accept that their own value of Garoppolo was light years beyond what every other team's was. No one was ever going to trade draft capital and surrender a large chunk of their cap space to take on an average quarterback who can't throw until training camp. It would be completely inadvisable for a team to do so."
"Garoppolo's true market is if he is a free agent where a team doesn't have to forfeit draft picks and can sign him at a smaller number. The best thing the 49ers can do right now is to cut him and go look at free agents who can improve the team like another edge rusher opposite of Nick Bosa or a vertical threatening wide receiver. Literally anything is a better use of cap space than holding onto Garoppolo JUST to get adequate draft capital. But the 49ers will not accept the image of cutting Garoppolo nor trading him for so little. Clinging onto Garoppolo until training camp is certainly a possibility and it grows likelier by the day."
What about keeping Garoppolo? Matt Maiocco doesn’t think that’s very viable.
ReplyDeleteMatt Maiocco:
"For one, there’s a high likelihood he’d be a $26 million backup. Secondly, he doesn’t think Garoppolo would want to come back. Garoppolo talked about how difficult the 2021 season was for him after the 49ers were knocked out of the playoffs, and Maiocco doesn’t believe Jimmy G is open to another season either playing behind Trey Lance or starting while the fans call for Lance every week."
"There’s also Monday’s bizarre report from ProFootballTalk’s Mike Florio, who said that he’s been told John Lynch had a deal on the table from a team willing to give up two second-rounders for Garoppolo. This report came out just hours before the Wentz and Winston news stories broke."
Maiocco is as baffled as anyone by this report.
“We’re going to just run the gamut here,” Maiocco said. “Either John Lynch really has not been telling people that. That’s one. Or two, John Lynch has been telling people that and he’s bluffing or lying in order to try to get a little bit of action. Or it is true, and John Lynch made a horrible mistake."
“It’s one of those three. The absolute best value that the 49ers could have gotten for him, and this is pre-injury, and I’m sure I even said it here, is maybe a second-round pick that turns into a one with either playing time or number of wins the team gets, and a third or fourth-round pick. That report was two second-round picks. It defies logic that that could have been a real offer that a team made and the 49ers did not take it. I honestly do not know what the answer is but it’s got to be one of those three things.”
To the Texans sounds logical.
ReplyDeleteOr would Bill do a swing for Jimmy lol.
Jimmy's trade market sank faster than the Titanic!
ReplyDeleteQuestion:
ReplyDeleteIs it possible to book a game of cut-throat poker VS John and Kyle?
I wouldn't hesitate to put my life savings on the line, and go all-in on a game of Texas hold'em vs John and Kyle.
Jones and Miller's contracts are both backloaded. Miller counts for $5 million and Jones $8 million this year.
ReplyDeleteCUT JIMMY G .... CUT JIMMY G .... CUT JIMMY G ....
ReplyDelete"Trey Lance is supposed to be the 2022 starter, yet the 49ers are not showing their commitment to him."
ReplyDeleteJOSE LUIS SANCHEZ III - Sports illustrated
Sanchez: "There hasn't been much action out of the 49ers that would support Lance as the starting quarterback in 2022. Considering how the 49ers have operated since free agency started, I wouldn't be so sure about Lance taking over. Jimmy Garoppolo is still on the 49ers' roster, which is the clear complicator. And the 49ers aren't tapping into free agency as a way to improve the team, which they should be doing since they have a quarterback on a cost-effective rookie contract."
"This is the time where the 49ers can splurge and get wild with free agency, but they're just sitting on their hands doing nothing. If Lance was really going to take over, if the 49ers were absolutely sure, then they would be doing what they can to make his debut season as the starter easier."
"The 49ers are showing a lack of commitment to Lance."
What a shame!
I'd be shocked if JG was still on the roster come training camp and shocked if Lance isn't the starter.
DeleteThe idea the 49ers were ever going to go out and splurge in FA was a pipe dream by fans. Wasn't going to happen. That isn't how the 49ers FO has operated ever since they got the roster to a point it was good. Everything since then has been about holding onto their own as much as possible, developing through the draft, and tinkering around the edges in FA. It was always going to be that way again this year.
And they will still add FAs from here. They just aren't going to pay overs from here out.
You obviously haven't been paying attention to how this team operates. They have a great team with holes here and there. They plugged two main ones already. As for Sanchez, here's another dumbass article by him.
DeleteHow the 49ers are Showing a Lack of Commitment to Trey Lance, by Sanchez, a Cohn protégé. Excuse me, but didn't the 49ers show their commitment with the price tag they paid for him?
"Excuse me, but didn't the 49ers show their commitment with the price tag they paid for him?"
DeleteAnd also signing Sudfeld to that fully guaranteed deal.
Besides, commitments go two ways. Trey has to show he deserves the teams commitment with his play out of the starting gate. Another posters gold standard membership of Joe and Steve have voiced strong reservations. But it's all noise until games begin and the proof is on the field.
I have to say, Jose is really tapping into something that is very important, IMO.
ReplyDeleteThe 49ers lack of a full blown commitment to Trey Lance is very telling right now. ShanaLynch had allowed a narrative that Trey wasn't ready to play, surround their young QB since the start of their offseason. And that narrative is only going to get louder as long as Jimmy is still on the roster.
Now I am reading rumors that Trey Lance is quietly asking to be traded. And to be honest, I wouldn't blame him.
"49ReasonsMarch 21, 2022 at 2:26 PM
ReplyDeleteYour blog is the epitome of delusional fandom! What a shame! I'm out for now. I'm spending my time where people actually have real opinions."
And reasons makes almost 2 dozens more posts following that.
Dude, WTF is wrong with you? Seriously?
75% of the 49ers fanbase is pissed off at this point, ribico, that puts me in the norm. Sorry you are in the 25% who have succumb to brain-dead fandom!
DeleteJimmy G. getting dunked on? Artist draws in 49ers’ QB across pop culture - by Scott Ostler, SF Chronical
DeleteDon't blame me, ribico, blame pop culture!
The San Francisco Chronical is calling it: "The Jimmy Garoppolo hostage crisis, Day 49."
DeleteYou've made your point. Said you had it with this brain-dead homer site and were outtahere. Then within minutes (seconds) you are back trying to make the same GD points over and over ad nauseam.
DeleteThere is something off, personalty-wise, with this mania of yours. Take a break dude, a long one. And stick to it. For your sake and ours.
"What a shame!"
ReplyDeleteWould be a shame reaching the NFCCG again, wouldn't it?
Yah, let's finish in 3rd place in the NFC West again next season, and hope our Special Teams can carry us again in the playoffs, while we waist another year of our expensive draft pick's rookie pay scale.
DeleteSounds like a great plan, lol.
Besides, ribico, if you think Jimmy Garoppolo wants to come back and be in the same situation again this coming season, you know less than I thought you did, and absolutely nothing about human nature!
DeleteI think one of the funniest things about this is that Jimmy screwed the 49ers over, and a lot of you guys (ribico) are so blinded by stardom, that you don't even realize that your golden-boy screwed your favorite team over.
DeleteAnd BTW, Jimmy is a $27M backup QB now, ribico. If you think he's going to sit out all spring, and still comeback and beat out Trey Lance, you are incredibly delusional.
DeleteRibico why keep hoping that Jimmy G can get us a SB?!
ReplyDeleteIts clearly for this to happen that our D has to carry the team than even more than our last SB appearance and isnt that a bit to much asked?
There is a reason why you have a bigger win chance with QB's like Brady than Dilfer cuz its about moving the chains.
That's why we need to give the keys to Trey cuz he has more tools.
Majority of the fan base want Jimmy G out.
Cuz the standard is still Joe and Steve.
Nothing less./
"Its clearly for this to happen that our D has to carry the team than even more than our last SB appearance and isnt that a bit to much asked?"
DeleteAsking all phases of the team to perform to high standards isn't too much to ask. Not IMO. And I'm sure not the coaches as well.
This whole rationale about the defense carrying the team gets blown out of the water by:
Team with defense "carrying" them when JG starts: 35-15
Team with defense "carrying" them when QBs other than JG starts: 8-27
"Cuz the standard is still Joe and Steve."
Sad that one continues to live in the past of 40 years ago. I wonder if Packers fans still pine for the Lombardi/Starr era? Or Bears fans the Monsters of the Midway? The thing is right now Niners fans have it better than 90% of the other NFL franchises' fans. *Right now*. Yet we still whine.
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DeleteI guess the term 40-Winers is now 40-Whiners.
DeleteGuarantee these same fans who hate Jimmy/Love Trey will, on a dime, hate Trey if the team does not get to a SB within his first 3 seasons.
"your golden-boy screwed your favorite team over."
ReplyDeleteDon't know about you, I'll take a 2 NFCCG, 1 SB in the last 3 years screwing.
"Now I am reading rumors that Trey Lance is quietly asking to be traded. And to be honest, I wouldn't blame him."
Hey Florio, if your "rumors" are true (and I'd wager large sum$ them being 99.999% false), then absent Trey JG gives the team a much better chance than Sudfeld. Even the most ardent Jimmy hater as yourself would have to agree?
Lol be serious we threw a SB away.
ReplyDeleteSome of you dont know what actually a very good QB is and not a average QB.
Every normal fan wants his team to win it all otherwise something is wrong!
Jimmy took us so far and now move on to someone who has more weapons than Jimmy./
Joe and Steve are legends so stop with your cancel culture.
I've been a supporter of Jimmy G. He helped to turn this franchise around and instill hope in us fans. At the same time enough time has passed to ascertain that his limitations will prevent the team from winning the SB. Kyle Posey has an article saying that the 49ers FO has most likely missed the window for trading Jimmy G (esp. since the Falcons only received a 3rd for Ryan). I hope that the team does not hang onto Jimmy G. out of stubborness but releases him if no offers come by the draft.
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