Friday, July 9, 2021

Best of Pod - the evolution of the 49ers defense


By Scooter_McG

While things are currently slow in the football world, there have been some very interesting podcast episodes in recent weeks that pertain to the 49ers. 

Cubus recently linked a podcast episode of Flying Coach with Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan which was excellent, and provided some great insight into the minds of both coaches. I highly recommend giving it a listen if you haven't already. Some of the main things that stuck out to me were:

  • Kyle Shanahan confirmed he was interested in Matt Stafford. Based on the disucssion it doesn't sound like they were ever close to getting a trade done and never made a formal offer. However, it sounded like the 49ers were going to make an offer but he was traded to the Rams before it happened.  
  • Both Kyle SHanahan and Sean McVay indicated they have great respect for Jon Gruden, who they both worked for at the Bucs. Sounded like working for Gruden was an outstanding learning experience and Gruden's knowledge of football was unparalleled. 
  • Both of them worked as quality control (QC) coaches for Gruden (at different times), and McVay worked as Shanahan's QC in Washington. Shanahan really highlighted the importance of and reliance of the OC/HC on the QC coach, as they are the ones that break down the film. It makes me think it will be worth following the coaching career of former Shanahan player Leonard Hankerson, who was recently hired to be an offensive QC coach by the 49ers. 

Another podcast I listened to recently was a Locked on 49ers podcast, where they discussed an episode of the The Athletic Football Show regarding how defenses are evolving. It is worth listening to both the Locked on 49ers episode and the Athletic Football Show episode they discuss, as it helps explain some of what we are seeing with the 49ers. 

One of the key things noted in the episodes is that offenses have evolved to combat and attack the cover 3 defense specifically, given the proliferation of that defense in the NFL. Coaches see the cover 3 defense as primarily a run stopping defense, as it provides 8 men in the box. So defensive coaches like using it on first and second downs. The Seahawks made it popular by also changing a few of the rules of the defense and the types of players they look for to help against the pass.

What was noted in the podcast episodes is that offenses have been targeting cover 3 defenses with deep crossers and over routes, and routes that then work off these routes, as that is the areas of the field the cover 3 is typically weakest against. Offenses are also moving towards focusing on a limited number of concepts but multiple ways of running those concepts - including lots of motion. This helps simplify things for the QB, makes defenses declare their coverage, and creates confusion on defenses as it becomes harder to recognise/ diagnose a play based on personnel and where players line up. Part of this evolution on offense in recent years has also been more heavy personnel packages, with TEs, RBs and FBs that are all also threats in the pass game. I'm sure we can all recognise these are things Shanahan in particular uses a lot of, and it is gaining traction in the NFL as more and more coaches from the same coaching tree become HCs and OCs.  

Mobile QBs that provide a threat from boot action have also been part of the reason for this shift, as these types of plays make it more important to start with some depth on defense and not over commit to coming forward, while still keeping eyes in front to see if the QB runs. 

Defenses are now starting to move away from cover 3, not just on passing downs but also first and second downs, as offenses are finding more and more success against it, especially with explosive plays between the LBs and safety. They are moving towards more quarters and 2-high coverage to defend the big plays against the deep crossers and over routes that attack cover 3, which the Shanahan offense uses a lot of, by keeping an extra safety deeper. 

Anyone that has been following the 49ers closely over the past two seasons will recognise the 49ers are one of the teams leading this change to use more quarters/ 2-high on early downs. Vic Fangio of course has been running it forever. Quarters/ 2-high provides more flexibility for a defense, however, it can be more susceptible against the run. Despite this, defensive coaches are becoming increasingly content with allowing a slightly higer average yards per carry in order to defend the explosive pass plays.  

As teams move away from 8-man boxes, the body archetypes are also changing for defenders. Again, we can see this evolution occuring with the 49ers. 

Quarters/ 2 high doesn't require the long, athletic CBs as much as the cover 3, so teams can play with smaller guys that are more versatile. There is also a greater need for safeties that are high IQ guys that are more interchangeable and have the skills to play any type of coverage and diagnose plays quickly. A guy like Jimmie Ward, and also Tartt when he can stay healthy, can be seen as important peices for the 49ers. 

The LBs also need to be smarter and quicker so they can diagnose quickly and cover a lot of ground. This is what makes Fred Warner so important to the 49ers. Greenlaw also provides a nice, balanced skillset.  

A key change that is happening, and we can see quite clearly with the 49ers, is an increased need for a strong DL that can hold up against the run, as you no longer have the extra man in the box. As the hosts on the Athletic Football Show outlined, you can live with a 290lbs DE that is more of a run defender than pass rusher, as you need guys that can plug gaps more than elite penetrating guys. Of note, on the Athletic Football Show they said teams are starting to move more towards being fine having just one or two really good pass rushers and a bunch of bigger guys that can defend the run. 

They may as well have been discussing the 49ers when talking about the DL. All of a sudden the 49ers moves at DL in recent years make more sense. Bosa is an excellent pass rusher, but also a very good run defender. The team is happy keeping Armstead at DE most downs, as that 290lbs DE that plugs gaps. And the team was happy to trade Buckner, a highly penetrative 3T, and replace him with a big, powerful DT in Kinlaw. The 49ers have remade their DL to first and foremost stop the run, to allow the back seven to focus on stopping explosive pass plays. 

Another interesting tidbit from the podcasts was an expectation of the hosts that pressure packages will evolve and change to compensate for teams that don't have multiple excellent pass rushers. They expect to see lots of stunts, games and blitzes, disguising where the pass rush is coming from and designed to free up the better pass rushers as much as possible. They also expect cover 1 usage to increase. For the 49ers, this is interesting as it appears to already be in motion - this increased aggressiveness is something that 49ers players have said DeMeco Ryans will be bringing in this year. And the CBs the 49ers have been bringing in recently are players that are more suited to man coverage.

The evolution of offenses, and how defenses are changing in response, also helps provide some further insight to why Trey Lance was the guy the 49ers wanted. A pure pocket passer can be great, but will limit what you can do on offense and allows defenses to defend 10 players. A pocket passer than is also a threat running the ball makes teams play 11 on 11, and allows the offense to continually evolve to take advantage of where defenses are weakest.  

84 comments:


  1. MAY HE RIP: Former 49ers TE Greg Clark dies at 49.
    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/former-49ers-te-greg-clark-023744216.html

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    1. So sad. May he find his way to the Bill Walsh mansion in the sky.

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    2. I honestly don't understand why Kyle continues to talk about how much he wishes his team was able to replace Jimmy with a capable veteran this off-season. I have no idea how it does anything but hurt team chemistry by constantly going out there and talking about how upset he was about the Rams, a division foe, trading for a starting QB whom Kyle wishes the Niners were able to trade for, especially after all of the reports of the Niners actively pursuing multiple Garoppolo replacements.

      Stop fricking talking Kyle, just stop. I am all for being upfront with the public ..... UNTIL it does nothing but hurt team chemistry. The only thing Kyle is accomplishing by giving away the team's intentions this off-season, is undermining the QB whom John Lynch and Jed York claim is likely to be your starting QB week 1. Well that, and giving the glaring impression that your own FO (Lynch in particular) were out-maneuvered by the LA Rams.

      If I were Jed York, John Lynch, or Paraag Marathe, I'd be livid with Kyle after that podcast!

      Just STFU Kyle, before you give away your gameplay for week 1.

      SMH!

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    3. Kyle Shanahan has a brilliant football mind, nobody questions that!

      It's his judgement that seems very questionable these days! What's next? Is he going to go on a podcast and start talking about his sex life?

      TMFI, Kyle! Too much f_cking information!

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    4. If I were Jimmy, I'd make a point to give Kyle the middle finger in front of a nationally televised audience before the end of the season, especially if he does get benched for a rookie!

      But that's me!

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    5. Although at this stage, it would seem that Jimmy will be traded before week 1, unless if course, Kyle has completely undermined any leverage the 49ers have in terms of Jimmy's trade value, which I suspect is very likely the situation now!

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    6. Does anyone disagree? Can anyone give me a good reason why Kyle seems bound and determined to give away confidential information about the front offices off-season intentions?

      Who does it help to go on a podcast and admit how upset you were that your division foe was able to trade for a QB whom you wished you had over the guy who you claim is your week 1 starter?

      Liar, liar, pants on fire .... Who are you trying to kid, Kyle!

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    7. I can't stand Mike Florio, and I rarely agree with him, but he's right.

      Kyle needs to STOP TALKING already!

      Enough! We get it ... you hate that the FO traded for Garoppolo in 2017, and then gave him a fat contract before he really proved himself.

      We all get it .... Jimmy isn't your guy. But guess what? He still slated as your week one starter, moron, so stop treating him with such contempt!

      I don't think Jimmy is a very good starter either, Kyle. The thing is ... you guys gave up a 2nd round pick for him, made him your starter, and then signed him to a huge contract after 5 starts. The least you could do is PRETEND he's still a decent starting QB worthy of something along the lines of a 3rd round pick on the trading block, so that your FO can potentially recoup some draft capitol.

      Or is that being unreasonable?

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    8. Moron? Liar? Yeah, calling the HC that is being pretty unreasonable.

      As far as undermining Jimmy's confidence? If the team, in not making any qualms about drafting his near-term replacement didn't do that, I don't think the coaches expression of admiration for other QBs will either.

      And as far as trade value, that will be completely determined by Jimmy's play on the field this season.

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    9. I feel quite confident that JG has been told all this previously, and it isn't the first time he is hearing it. Shanahan has made no secret that the team was actively looking to bring in a QB, in part due to JG's inability to stay on the field. This is nothing new, and only confirmed what most already expected was the case anyway.

      Both Shanahan and McVay acknowledged JG is a good QB in the pod... when healthy. But both thought Stafford was a great QB.

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    10. Come on Scooter.

      Then they should quit pretending and get rid of him at this stage. Don't pretend that he's likely the week one starter, because that's what the 49ers "organization" have been trying to sell to the fan base, or potential trade partners (which is actually smart). That it's simply his "lack of availability" which was the catalysts for giving up all of that draft capital to move up for Lance.

      Of course Jimmy knows he's no longer in the Niners long term plans. The problem is, they may need to rely on him this season, right? So if they either hope to rely on him this season, or trade him at some point, it's asinine to pretend that, on one hand, Jimmy is still a high caliber QB whom the team can win with, while simultaneously undermining him at every turn.
      Who does that help? Are the Niners capable of winning this season with a healthy Jimmy undercenter? How confident should us fans be in their chances of winning the NFC West, when it's clear that Kyle has a much higher regard for at least 2 of the opposing QB's in their own damn division? How confident should the Niners' locker room be if they have to lean on Jimmy while facing off against the Rams with Stafford at the helm?

      You know as well as I do that there is no longer anything strategic or otherwise, to gain by continuing to undermine the very QB who you are hoping to either ride with for a large chunk of this season, or perhaps deal and recoup some of the draft capitol you gave up to replace him?

      How does it do anything accept make the FO look like they fell asleep at the wheel by letting the Rams, perhaps their most important competitor in 2021, beat them to the punch in the hunt for a championship caliber QB?

      It's foolish and you know it's foolish, Scooter!

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    11. Isn't it better for everyone associated with the 49ers, to give the impression that ... yah, the team likes Stafford, but they like the combination of Jimmy starting this year, while developing Trey Lance, as a better option? That they couldn't both deal for Stafford, AND move up for Lance, so they chose Lance?

      Wouldn't that come off as a better way handling the situation? Of course it is, which is why a lot of people were so shocked at Kyle candidness! Oh, you bet John and Jed were not happy! How could they be?

      Instead, Kyle is actually handing the Rams a strategic advantage, at least psychology

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    12. In fact, I'm not sure there is another HC in the league who would have openly admitted such a thing. These types of internal workings and decisions are better left for people to speculate, because it gives your front office cover.

      John Lynch looks much smarter if he can say "oh, we really think highly of Stafford and we did our due diligence, but in the end we decided we were better off as a team, winning with a healthy Jimmy this season, and drafting the uber talented, yet not yet fully developed QB prospect, Trey Lance, so that they can continue to win in the future as well"

      Instead, the impression is that Stafford was the Niners' first choice, but the Rams outmaneuvered the 49ers front office and beat them to the punch.

      Thanks a lot Kyle.

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    13. The only saving grace for me, is that I don't think they really need Jimmy any longer. I think Trey is going to be ready to take over the helm, if not week 1, certainly after the week 6 bye), and that he's going to be an incredible QB, and a better long term option than Stafford.

      Now I can only hope that Kyle doesn't go on another podcast and reveal all of Trey Lance's potential weaknesses!

      SMH

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    14. So .... Trey Lance was the consolation prize, after missing out on Stafford?

      Boy, that's a real good thing to share with the football world, hah Kyle? I'd say you should get points for honesty, if you weren't undermining your own QB situation in the process, dummy!

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    15. If the Rams and Stafford win a Super Bowl before the Niners, who should get fired first? Kyle or John?

      I'd say Kyle at this point!

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    16. C'mon yourself, 49reasons. You're being ridiculous, again.

      What would you have preferred he said? That they didn't want to upgrade at QB because JG's their starting QB? We already know that's a lie - you don't trade what they traded for Lance if you're happy with JG at QB.

      That they hadn't decided what they were going to do at QB yet? Another obvious lie - it is well known Shanahan spent January watching film of the top QBs in the draft. They had already made the decision to find a replacement.

      That they weren't interested in Stafford because they had already determined they were drafting Lance? They were still picking at 12 at the time, and Shanahan had only watched film on these guys at this stage. That would have been an obvious lie, especially since he's already said they hadn't determined who yet.

      That Stafford wasn't of interest because they prefer JG? Everyone in the league would have known that was a lie, and it would have given Stafford ammunition against the 49ers.

      Instead he admitted what was already known in league circles and widely believed to have been the case outside league circles - that yeah, he liked Stafford and was in discussions. And he was smart to outline it was because he considers him a great QB.

      He also discussed JG and how he's a good QB, and availability is his biggest issue.

      The way you complain about what Shanahan said makes me think you haven't actually listened to the pod in its entirety. Just going off sound bites and what some media people are saying to generate viewership.

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    17. 49Reasons
      Just some friendly advice. DON'T OVERREACT TO THINGS YOU HEAR! It may NOT be what you think it is.

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    18. Scooter, I just wrote exactly the way Kyle should have addressed the subject. And that's the way I would assume every HC in the league should be talking about their own QB situation, as opposed to their division rival's.

      Some things need to be held close to the vest, for strategic reasons, even if those strategic reasons are primarily psychological.

      I'm hearing Kyle has already apologized to John and Jed, behind the scenes, as well he should. He should probably pull Jimmy aside once again, and try to pump up his confidence, and clear the air yet again, unless of course, unlike the FO, he doesn't want to depend on Jimmy G. in any way, shape, or form this season, which certainly appears to be the case.

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    19. How anyone can argue with a straight face that it doesn't hurt team chemistry for a head coach to openly talk about how much he wishes his team was able to aquire a division rivals QB, to replace his current starting QB, is absolutely beyond me.

      Unless of course, you're in denial, Scooter.

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    20. And, BTW, Kyle is claiming he started to fall in love with the idea of drafting Trey Lance, all the way back on January.

      Yet, he was actively hoping to pursue a Stafford trade months later?

      It seem highly unlikely that the Niners would have both aquired Stafford, and traded up for Lance, so logic dictates that Kyle would have preferred Mathew Stafford over Trey Lance, as well.

      Wow! What a great message to send to your locker room!

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    21. Just STOP talking, Kyle! Please, just stop! Nobody needs to know EXACTLY how your organization feels about your own players, or your rival's players. Nor does anyone need to know if your division rival outsmarted your own front office.

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    22. Did you actually listen to the pod?

      And please, you've heard he's apologised to Lynch and York? Where did you hear that nonsense?

      Sorry mate, but this is much ado about nothing.

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  2. Well done Scooter! Informative and I enjoyed reading it.

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  3. Thanks for sharing, Scooter. Truly appreciate your understanding of the game. I've always wondered how you developed it, being an Australian and all. Did you ever play in the US?

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    1. Thanks George. I've never played the game nor lived in the US. But I just love sports and have always tried to get across the why and the strategy behind a sport. I won't pretend I know the strategy of the game in-depth, but I know enough to understand and recognise what more knowledgeable people are talking about.

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    2. I have an (American) friend who's a huge a fan of Aussie Rules Football. I watched a game (excuse me, a match ;) with him. I couldn't make head or tales of it! But the aerobic conditioning of those players is something to behold.

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    3. I must admit I have a hard time getting into the AFL (Aussie rules). Very much a rugby league fan over AFL.

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  4. As an aside, I just discovered Grant Cohn's youtube channel. Yes, his SI articles are clickbait, but there's good substance in his video chats with guests. His last 10 videos -- which are short -- break down an interview with Jimmy Ward, who is quite candid about a number of things, including his toughest match-up on the field. Here's the link to Grant's channel:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd7Sx0uTPLvxB8LFEB_B1MA

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    1. George
      * "Yes, his SI articles are clickbait,"
      * TO SAY IT'S "CLICKBAIT" IGNORES GRANT COHN'S SELF AGGRANDIZING ATTEMP TO PROMOTE HIMSELF, TO A LEVEL OF NARCISSISTIC BEHAVIOR.


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    2. The interview with Jimmie Ward was great. Ward is one of my favourite 49ers - always thought he was underappreciated and he treads that line of confidence without arrogance well.

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    3. Guys, that last line by Ward, "Grant, you continue to be an asshole", had me lmao!

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    4. GEEP, true, Grant's narcissistic. Needs to grow up. But there's substance there. Just have to ignore the BS.

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    5. George
      Yes, you're right! But listening to Grant makes me feel like a mushroom. He tries to feed us BS and pretend he's important. If Lowell wasn't his daddy, and open doors for him, where would he be?

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    6. Grant is becoming the Young Skip Bayless / Mike Florio.
      Very little journalism and a lot of hot takes with nothing back them up. Sadly he is actually a very good interviewer. That said, he appears to be a genuinely nice guy based on what he has done for some of those fans in the community he has created. Sadly amongst these fans he feeds their angst and it triggers Hyperbole amongst everyone. The number of fans that constantly state that Jimmy G or Mike McGlinchey has no talent and are trash has grown immensely. It's like hey, calm down, try to look at it half way objectively and don't just go immediately to the "he's the worst qb/ot in football."

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    7. Grant knows his market and is good at what he does. His style irks a lot of people, but equally there are a lot of people that love it.

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  5. Win from the pocket and if that isn't working, take off. Jimmy can't do either.

    I've been excited with anticipation of Ryans more aggressive nature on defense. I'm expecting a top 5 defense when it's all said and done if Bosa remains healthy.

    Excellent workmanship, Scooter. Thank you.

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    1. Thanks razor, you've been saying Ryans was moving the defense this way for a while.

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  6. Thanks Scooter. Your summary was good...coverage :)

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  7. Good drop, Scooter.
    Always impressed with your football knowledge.

    But my response has more to do with some of the criticism leveled at Shanahan (not speaking of you).
    I wonder if as fans we forget that football is a huge business where the stakes to win are enormously high. Today's coaching jobs are extremely more demanding than they used to be.

    If Shanahan feels that another QB can have more success than Garoppolo, he should do his due diligence to explore that possibility.
    Obviously, there's a downside to him being vocal about it because it can cause a negative effect on players. But who knows, perhaps Shanahan had already made it known to JG that finding another QB was going to be a priority entering a new season.

    In any case, the only way that both Garoppolo and the 49ers win is for JG to have a great start (5-7 games) then trade him and turn the keys over to Lance.
    Business has long overtaken loyalty in pro sports.

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    1. I don't think it is perhaps, Shanahan and Lynch have already said they had conversations with JG after the season and during the offseason letting him know what they planned to do. And JG has confirmed this, and said that while it wasn't news he wanted to hear, he really appreciated how honest they were about it.

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  8. Yes, you jared my memory. I do remember that exchange between the three of them.
    It's to bad that Mike Florio and others who are being critical of the Shanahan, McVay recent QB discussion didn't take that into consideration.
    But Mike Florio has had an axe to grind with the 49ers since his Spring report that someone with deep knowledge (former GM) had the 49ers drafting Justin Fields.
    I guess stirring up controversy keeps his brand going.

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    1. Florio doesn’t like the 49ers/ Shanahan. He takes a negative view of anything they do.

      If you listen to the actual podcast and exchange between Shanahan and McVay it is very clear they aren't throwing shade at JG and is very much more an indication of how highly both coaches rate Stafford.

      I see no harm in Shanahan voicing what he did in that podcast. It was nothing that people in the NFL didn't already know and just confirmed what most people outside league circles already believed based on what had been reported.

      In terms of 49reasons fears of what this will do to the locker room, my opinion is nothing. JG will have already known all this as Shanahan and Lynch were open with him about looking at QBs. It had been speculated all offseason about the 49ers interest in various QBs. They drafted his future replacement. He knows where he stands with the team. Any issues in the locker room will have nothing to do with this podcast - the damage was either already done, or it won't be a problem.

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  9. Agreed. Perhaps it's best for 49ers fans not to be overly sensitive about Shanahan' honesty.

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    1. Yes, in fact, I look at it as a good thing. He's straight with his players and by and large keeps things honest and consistent when speaking in the media.

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  10. Yes sir. And hopefully Shanahan' honesty lights a fire under Garoppolo. Playing with a chip on his shoulder might prove to be a good thing for Jimmy.

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  11. A comment Ward made that I thought interesting. Speaking about Tartt's influence on him:

    "Like in the post. Because I played quarters coverage in college, and he played post safety, so he's used to playing free, he's used to knowing how to read the quarterback, but it took me a while. I just realized some of the mistakes I was making at post safety. Like, I was just backpedaling. It's three-step quick game (from the quarterback), and I'm backpedaling five or six yards. Why am I moving? I shouldn't even move. I'd have even more of a kill shot or opportunity to get a tip and an overthrow.

    "And it took me to realize what Jaquiski was saying, then I started watching his film. I was tired of watching me. I watch all the safeties in the league. I watched Adrian Colbert, the guy they gave my spot to, and I watched Jaquiski, and I noticed that when they see the quick game, they barely move, and that's why they got to the ball so fast. It took me a while to realize that. I had to learn from my mistakes."

    You'd think his position coach would have taught him this so he didn't have to figure it out himself. There's no reference to when this happened. Nevertheless, if he's just starting to apply this, perhaps we'll see him reach another level this season.

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  12. CHANGE OF SUBJECT: Anyone think the 9ers should trade for Patriot WR N’Keal Harry?
    IMO: I wouldn't give up a draft pick for him, but I'd be willing to trade a WR like Craft Rivers, Kevin White, Andy Jones, etc. for him?

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    1. I wouldn't. I told you guys back then that BB always picks the wrong receiver.

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    2. Risk reward Razor....You're giving up a player that may be cut, for one that may make the team.
      He was a player JL & KS were interested in when he was drafted.
      * "Leading up to the 2019 NFL Draft, the 49ers were fans of N’Keal Harry and supposedly liked him more than Deebo Samuel before New England selected Harry in the first round. Both John Lynch and Adam Peters were at Arizona State’s Pro Day."
      https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/7/7/22565555/should-the-49ers-pursue-nkeal-harry

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    3. I never liked Harry, and it seems the Patriots don't anymore. I'd imagine Kyle and John have soured as well, and are happy with their consolation prize in Samuel.

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    4. It's all explained in this video:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7_LdkNK6aw

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  13. Great stuff,

    In terms of the Stafford love. I'm not sure what think... on the one hand Kyle gushed poetically about Stafford. On the other hand his actions say he really wasn't interested in him at that price as SF didn't make a formal offer and when told he needed to make a phone call he chose to go to sleep.
    If I had to guess Kyle was more upset that Stafford went to the Rams than he was that SF didn't get him.

    The coverage aspect is also interesting, I think cover 3 still works but I prefer their cloud variations and believe it should be used as package rather than the only alignment. Additionally I think LB's that can read and react quickly are a key component in taking certain intermediate to deep routes away. This is where Warner is a huge key for SF.

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  14. " I'm not sure what think... on the one hand Kyle gushed poetically about Stafford."

    What coach doesn't go on and on about an opponent being the greatest thing since sliced bread, and knowing he also has a plan to utterly demolish them.

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    1. Yes, I suspect you're right, rib. Kyle's unlikely to cast shade in a situation like that, especially since they're friends and he beat them twice last year.

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  15. "What coach doesn't go on and on about an opponent being the greatest thing since sliced bread, and knowing he also has a plan to utterly demolish them." Ribico

    Ha! Great point.
    The legendary Bill Walsh did the same thing. He would always speak in positive terms of the opponent before crushing them.
    Btw, Walsh was also sharply honest in pressers when describing the play (good and bad) of his team.

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  16. Scooter,

    Excellent material! You are writing better than some of the paid writers on websites. Keep up the good work.

    I've been listening to the Flying Coach on and off since it started last season with Kerr and Carroll. Love the relaxed discussions between coaches. Folks should definitely listen to the Klingsbury and Saleh/LaFleur episodes this season.

    I have a different interpretation of Kyle's interest and anxiety about Stafford. The Stafford discussion starts, fittingly, just before the 49th minute of the podcast. At no point did I hear that Niners had made or were intending to make an offer to Stafford. But Kyle was stressed and anxious. His anxiety appears to me to have been stoked by the possibility of the Lions' GM, Brad Holmes, an ex-Rams' executive were in talks on moving Stafford to his old team.

    The timeline on Stafford that I pieced out based on interviews with Lynch, Schefter, and others is as follows. Lynch heard during the Senior Bowl that the Lions were looking into trading Stafford. Lynch told the Lions' exec he met there that the Niners definitely wanted to know what the price was going to be. A few weeks later, Niners got a call from the Lions with the starting point for negotiations. Niners said that they would think it over and get back to them. The internal discussions concluded that the price was too high, and they declined to get into a bidding war. But ShanaLynch definitely knew the risk of Holmes making a deal with the Rams (as they were worried about Julio Jones being traded to the NFC West). That's my rather tepid take :)

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    1. Thanks Mood, appreciate it.

      I think Shanahan was pretty clear in his discussions during the pod that he had spent 2 weeks studying Stafford before the deal to the Rams happened. You don't do that for someone you don't really have any interest in. Following that review he came away very impressed and was very interested - that was basically what he said in the pod.

      In terms of then trading for Stafford, after his two weeks of film review he was told by a "trusted source" that nothing was imminent so he they had time to figure out what they wanted to do. Then that same night while out at dinner he received a call saying the deal was now imminent, and 10 minutes later it was done. Again, that is just what Shanahan laid out in the pod.

      So... yeah, I think if we take Shanahan at his word, he is basically saying that while their interest initially may not have been that high, there were interested enough to do their due diligence (as they should) and after that due diligence there was enough interest that they were at least contemplating making a move. But a deal came together very quickly with the Rams and they weren't so interested that they were going to move heaven and earth to step in the way of the deal.

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    2. I agree that they did due diligence on Stafford. But it would not make sense that Kyle waited so long (till negotiations got hot and heavy with other teams) in order to study Stafford with the intent to make a decision.

      I also take Shanhanan at his word -- but what he does not say often speaks volumes. And most important, what matters is what they actually do.

      Niners never made an offer to the Lions. Albert Breer (not Schefter as I had mistakenly believed) reported on Feb 1 that talks with Niners never got serious unlike those with the Rams, Panthers and WFT who were closely involved in the bidding.

      To quote Breer: "The Niners talked to the Lions in Mobile, but at the time were a little lukewarm and never made an official offer. They’d planned to circle back with Detroit after the weekend, but when things escalated Saturday and the Lions called back, the price had gone beyond what they were willing to offer (in part because they’re fine going forward with Jimmy Garoppolo)."

      So why would Kyle spend so much time studying Stafford at the late stage? I'd guess that once he heard that the Rams were involved from his trusted source, he wanted to revisit his evaluation to find out if they had under-priced Stafford. Niners as a rule do not budge from their evaluation of players.

      Interesting insight from Shanahan into the fast-moving situation.

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  17. @Scooter:

    To me the most interesting part about this Stafford saga is that it is now 100% clear that Jimmy will be out. Had the team signed Stafford, there is no way that both Stafford and Jimmy G could have been on the team at the same time. So all this insinuation that the issue with Jimmy G is just his availability doesn't appear to be true. KS want an upgrade. Now you can say that the Trey Lance pick already shows that and it does, but I wasn't convinced that they would let Jimmy go if Lance proved sufficient during training camp and maybe, if Jimmy played well, he would be around in 2022. I'm starting to think that is highly unlikely unless Lance falls flat on his face.

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    1. Yes, that's correct cubus. Again, this is consistent with what Shanahan has said in the past. He has always maintained the ideal is to have one of those top 5, top 7, whatever the number is elite guys that really help make you competitive year in, year out.

      And he has consistently avoided saying JG is one of those elite guys. He has deliberately said he is a good NFL QB you can win a lot of games with and is therefore hard to improve on. But also not impossible, and he has consistently intimated that the goal should be to get one of those top guys, and that the team is always looking to improve at every position.

      To me what this offseason has really said is that Shanahan decided it was time to just do what it takes to try and get one of those top guys. And yeah, Stafford was part of that conversation.

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  18. https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/148181-former-richard-sherman-brooked-burglary-domestic-violence-schefter/

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    1. Some of what is coming out about the incident is pretty sad and suggests Sherman may not be in a good way mentally atm. A reminder that even those that seem like they have everything pretty together can be struggling to cope.

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    2. I never doubted Sherman's intelligence, but I always knew he had a screw loose. He just did a good job of keeping it under control, possibly through playing football. Now that his career is over, there is no longer an outlet; and so it has overflowed.

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    3. I think some of this may be due to depression. Here is guy that thinks he's still great but isn't getting any calls "I'm guessing". He is likely trying to come to terms with the idea that his career is over or nearly over.
      This could bring raise a number of issues..."why don't people see what I see (in terms of how good I am), what will I do next, how will I support my family (pay the bills, etc,etc"
      Getting drunk and having a fight with family is likely to well up all kinds of these feelings, doubts etc.

      Hope that I am wrong and these issues are just my wild speculation, or its all just a blip on the radar and all ends up working out for him and his family.

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  19. Hope that this is an isolated incident since it seems totally out of character for Sherman.

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  20. I hope they're lenient and that this is just a bump in the road for the guy.

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  21. I sure hope this is not a sign of the onset of CTE for Uncle Sherman, but you sure have to wonder! Seems a bit out of character for the Richard Sherman I know.

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  22. What we know about the arrest of Richard Sherman:
    https://www.fieldgulls.com/2021/7/14/22577316/what-we-know-richard-sherman-arrest-king-county-burglary-domestic-violence-dui-nfl-news

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  23. The one question that's NOT answered in the article is:

    * Why was Sherman's wife, Ashley Moss and her kids, staying
    with her parents in Redmond Washington? * Why was she and the children NOT living at home?
    * It raises the question, why did Sherman get drunk and try to break into his wife's parents home. * Did she feel the need to leave him? Had he been verbally, or physically abusive and she felt the need to leave him and go stay at her parents home?

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  24. The thing is the facts could be anything. We can make suppositions, but as the saying goes, life is stranger than fiction. Suppositions are a waste of brain power imo. There's another saying, making a mountain out of a mole hill. I'm not saying that's true in this case. I don't know what's true, and Sherman and his family have the right to privacy, like any family does.

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    1. Edit: "life can be stranger than fiction."

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    2. George
      Of course you're right, we don't know all the facts. BUT asking the question, "why was his wife and her kids staying with her parents?"....And why Sherman felt the need to break in, opposed to knocking on the door, is a reasonable and legitimate question. That part is "STRANGE" but it's not "FICTION!"

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    3. I think what George is saying is that there is no point speculating on why that was the case. We don't know.

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  25. There's so much swirling around the Sherman situation that only time will iron out the particulars.

    In all honesty, my personal thoughts on "why" have no importance to the matter.
    I only hope that Sherman' outstanding career is not defined by one bad incident.

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    1. AES
      Not to judge Sherman, but you have to admit that he has made a deliberate point of injecting himself and his opinion(s) into the news. As such, he's now the object of the "news media's attention.
      As President Kennedy said, "Those who foolishly seek power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside"

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    2. Completely agree AES. Main thing at this point is that everyone is ok and Sherman gets the help he needs.

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  26. Neither am I casting judgment on Sherman.
    My position is that (although this is now open for social consumption) the courts will determine the outcome of the situation. And I'd be disappointed if Sherman is not signed by a team and goes out (retires) under this cloud.

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  27. David Lombardi
    @LombardiHimself
    And yes, I can start listing individual lines of the full Richard Sherman police report. But IMO that’s irresponsible before there’s a substantive hearing. Rapid-fire Twitter is not a good vehicle for proper context, which is vital to tell the story without misrepresenting it
    5:27 PM · Jul 15, 2021

    Simple and very good perspective.

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  28. When smart and sensible players show signs of depression and start substance abuse like alcohol late in their career or after retirement, the first suspect, IMO, is the onset of CTE.

    Two of the most important markers of traumatic encephalopathy syndrome (TES) appear to be mood and behavioral disturbances. (TES is a clinical diagnosis term while CTE is a pathological term for diagnosis during or after the brain surgery.)

    Here's a JAMA paper that has more information for those interested:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4922002/

    Feel sorry for Sherman. I'm hoping he will make right decisions based on medical advice going forward.

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  29. Clearly this isn't the only indicator of CTE, but I'm wondering if Sherman has a history of concussions.

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