Razor's 2021 Mock Draft/San Francisco 49ers
1. Jaguars select, Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
2. Jets select, Zach Wilson, QB, BYU
Who's left on the board:
| Alijah Vera-Tucker | USC | OG | 1 | |
| Azeez Ojulari | Georgia | DE/OLB | 1 | |
| Caleb Farley | Virginia Tech | CB | 1 | |
| Christian Barmore | Alabama | DT | 1 | |
| Christian Darrisaw | Virginia Tech | OT | 1 | |
| DeVonta Smith | Alabama | WR | 1 | |
| Gregory Rousseau | Miami (FL) | DE/OLB | 1 | |
| Jaelan Phillips | Miami (FL) | DE/OLB | 1 | |
| Ja'Marr Chase | LSU | WR | 1 | |
| Jaycee Horn | South Carolina | CB | 1 | |
| Jaylen Waddle | Alabama | WR | 1 | |
| Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah | Notre Dame | ILB/OLB | 1 | |
| Justin Fields | Ohio State | QB | 1 | |
| Kadarius Toney | Florida | WR | 1 | |
| Kwity Paye | Michigan | DE/OLB | 1 | |
| Kyle Pitts | Florida | TE | 1 | |
| Mac Jones | Alabama | QB | 1 | |
| Micah Parsons | Penn State | ILB/OLB | 1 | |
| Najee Harris | Alabama | RB | 1 | |
| Patrick Surtain | Alabama | CB | 1 | |
| Penei Sewell | Oregon | OT | 1 | |
| Rashawn Slater | Northwestern | OT/OG | 1 | |
| Rashod Bateman | Minnesota | WR | 1 | |
| Trey Lance | North Dakota State | QB | 1 | |
| Zaven Collins | Tulsa |
3. Justin Fields, QB, Ohio St.
Yep, the quarterback whose stock has been tanked via subterfuge by teams like the Falcons and Panthers through media mouthpieces. Reports are he is sliding down draft boards because he's a one read, last in, first out of the building quarterback. Remember, Simms saying how much, Shanny loves, Aiyuk? Me either. It's that kind of silence all over again. Shhh, he earned the highest learning efficiency rating ever recorded with a score of 130. For reference purposes, both, Mahomes and, Allen finished the test with a score of 108. Fields also earned an IQR(SIS' passer rating metric adjusted for drops and YAC) score of 147(2019) in the under pressure and from the pocket category right behind, Lawrence's 151(2019). Fields' IGR from under center was tops with a score of 154. Adjusted accuracy rate on 3rd & 4th down. Fields-80%, Jones-75% and, Lance-59%.
**TRADE**
Patriots trade #46 to the 49ers for, Jimmy Garoppolo.
Who's left on the board?
- 36.
- 37.
- 40.
- 42.
- 44.
- 45.
- 46.
- 47.
- 49.
- 51.
- 52.
- 53.
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- 55.
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43. Jaelan Phillips, Edge, Miami
Hard to believe that the best edge rusher in this draft is still available but his medical history had, Ojulari,
Paye, Ossai, Rousseau, Basham and, Oweh all coming off before him.
46. Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina
- 4.59 yards after contact per attempt ranked 11th in the nation, ahead of Travis
- Etienne (3.84) and Najee Harris (3.26).
- 75 broken tackles led the nation. Remember that time, Big Shanny drafted a rb in
- round 2? Ended up being the offensive rookie of the year. Now, what was his name?
- Oh, yea. Clinton Portis. It's that time again.
Who's left on the board?
87. Walker Little
OT Stanford
- 88.
- 91.
- 93.
- 94.
- 95.
- 101.
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102. Brevin Jordan, TE, Miami
Athletic with strong, soft hands. Blocks with good leverage and a nasty attitude. Routes need work.
Could be Kittle's, Robin.
117. Zech Mcphearson, CB, Texas Tech
Twitchy, fluid athlete that has inside out ability. Spatial relationship with routes in zone,
and he looks to take the football. Had 4 picks this year. Good tackler.
Could end up as a starter just as soon as his play recognition catches up.
155. Frank Darby, WR, Arizona St.
Ball tracker. Long strider. Build up speed is good enough for me. Had a higher ypc average
than, Aiyuk in 2019. 73% of his catches were either 1st downs or TD's.
172. Divine Deablo, S/LB, Va Tech
fumbles on the career. Is it just me or at 6' 3" 226 lbs. and 4.45 speed, doesn't this guy look
like he could match up against, Metcalf?
180. William Bradley-King, Edge, Baylor
Subpackage pass rusher/special teams, while he gets stronger in an NFL strength
and conditioning program.
194. Jimmy Morrissey, Pivot, Pittsburg
2 year starter with legit 4.3 speed. Not much more you could ask for in a developmental practice squad candidate. Punt returner/gunner might be his best chance of sneaking onto the roster.
Smart 4 year starter and 2 year captain after walking on. Doesn't have ideal size or length, but he's made for this offensive scheme. Sit him behind, Mack for a year and you could have your center for the next 10 years to grow with that rookie quarterback.
223. Brandin Echols, CB, Kentucky
"People are under the assumption that the #49ers are going to take Mac Jones with the No. 3 pick. I'm told that it's about 50-50 either Mac Jones or one of the other two QBs." -- dropping some inside information on PFN Draft Insiders
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I surveyed 23 teams on their ranking of the Top 5 QB’s in the @NFLDraft All 23 teams had Trevor Lawrence #1 & Zach Wilson #2 The remaining ranking was #3 Justin Fields, #4 Trey Lance #5 Mac Jones. Interestingly for 3rd place Fields had 13 votes, Lance 6, Jones 4 @nflnetwork
Nice mock, Razor, I'd be over the moon for it. And good find on Casserly's survey, which completely debunks the notion the Mac Jones is somehow miraculously higher on teams draft boards than he is on scouts. He's the 5th best QB prospect in this class, everyone knows it, and you don't give up the farm for the 5th best QB prospect ... Period ... End of story!
ReplyDeleteThanks, 49Reasons.
DeleteThis is a very good mock draft. I like either Justin Fields or Trey Lance for SF. I like the Alabama quarterback, but I think this is too early for him. I am from Chicago and Mac Jones this early feels like drafting Mitchell Trubisky.
DeleteThanks, WindyCity. I'm with you.
DeleteRazor
ReplyDeleteI like your draft picks, but IMO the 9ers draft a CB before an EDGE rusher. After Verrett and E-man, who's the next man up that can be trusted to do the job? I'd also be surprised if KS took a RB that high.
Having said that, I'd agree that Miami's Jaelan Phillips is the BPA, so maybe your right? Maybe it Phillips?
Thanks. Tbh, this is the first draft in 10 years that I really have no clue as to who they're targeting. I'm just gonna roll with whoever, Shanny decides on and let it play out. Whichever player it is should have a successful career under, Kyle.
DeleteRazor
Delete* "this is the first draft in 10 years that I really have no clue as to who they're targeting."
Welcome to the WTF club, I don't either! I'm just going to set back and enjoy the ride. It's the KS, JL show, Who's behind door #1, what's behind door #2 and I don't know's behind door #3
BTW: Anyone tells you they do know, has an agenda, is crazy or they're lying...
I just shake my head at this "Kyle the QB whisperer, who can win with any QB, narrative". If that's truly the case, and looking back at his track record says it clearly isn't, then apparently ShanaLynch don't value first round picks. Why else would they be giving up 3 1st's and a 3rd to move up for the goofy guy with the dad-body, and a DUI? And, BTW, where is the guarantee that Mac Jones won't end up on the IR as often as Garoppolo? After all, he is the one QB in this class with a worse physique than me, and I'm 55 years old.
ReplyDelete49Reason
Delete"who can win with ANY QB?"
Yea, I get it, you're venting, but no said "any" QB? It's any one of the 3 QB, Fields, Lance, or Jones!
And it's now come down to KS is a bum if he drafts Jones? Seriously?
Fields more methodical.
ReplyDeleteLance more spontaneous.
Walsh, "Some of his quarterback's greatness was that his spontaneous instincts would break loose between 10 and 15 percent of the time, often making a “phenomenal difference” in the result of a game.
The ghost of Aaron Rodgers has haunted me for 15 years, Razor, so the idea that the 49ers could end up making the same kind of mistake, only worse (because they surrendered so much draft capitol in order to move up into the top 3), has me extremely concerned.
ReplyDeleteI don't want to make light of those who suffer from PTSD, so let's call it PTDD - Post Traumatic Draft Disorder. I will certainly be seeking professional help if the 49ers take Jones, and I am not exaggerating one bit.
I saw the writing on the wall back in February. This was my worst nightmare. You can ask, Scooter, he'll tell you.
DeleteI didn't call the professionals, but I did come to the conclusion that if history is any indicator, there's only 2 quarterbacks that will end up going on to have a successful career out of these top 5. Trevor Lawrence and whoever gets to play for Shanny. The other 3 will either wash out or end up as journeymen backups.
The one concern I do have is if this offense doesn't take the step forward we're all expecting, this team could be in trouble early because I think we can all agree that the defense is gonna take a step backwards.
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
ReplyDelete*true career straight dropback passing grade
ReplyDelete1. Justin Fields - 93.8
2. Mac Jones - 93.1
3. Zach Wilson - 87.5
4. Trevor Lawrence - 87.4
*no play action, RPO's, screens or rollouts aka just the good stuff
That's funny Razor, because I was just about to post that, IMO, Justin Fields is a better POCKET PASSER than Mac Jones, and vastly superior as a play action passer. The game film doesn't lie. Fields has a much better arm, and better pinpoint accuracy. As for processing, I honestly don't know who does it better between those two because there isn't enough "proof" one way or the other. Besides, I thought Kyle Shanahan was the king of PA and scheming his WR's open? And I am sure you can imagine the benefit to Kyle's zone blocking sun scheme and PA passing, with more the added ability to control the backside DE, and the Safeties?
ReplyDeleteLiterally unstoppable!
Everyone of these guys has their perceived flaws. Basically it comes down to which ones are coachable and which ones aren't.
DeleteThe Blair Witch Project is taking his physical. If he studied he'll pass it and they'll resign him.
ReplyDeleteWhen I think of Mac Jones running the offense I think yah, looks an awful lot like Jimmy G, post knee injury, accept Jones doesn't quite have Jimmy's quick release and he seems to "push" the football.
ReplyDeleteRemember how unstoppable Garoppolo was at the end of 2017, before the knee injury, when his sneaky mobility kept plays alive and kept defenses off balance? Now, did anyone notice the difference post-injury, once DC's figured out Jimmy had lost some of his mobility, and Kyle was forced to try and run against stacked boxes?
Let's be real ... while Jimmy G certainly made enough plays during the 2019 regular season, it was primarily the defense, and the running game that carried them through to the Super Bowl. Does anyone really dispute this?
Nice mock razor. Getting Phillips and Williams in the 2nd would be very nice!
ReplyDeleteThanks, Scooter. If they don't take Jones this will be the biggest ImMaculate deception of any draft I can remember. Even Vegas is onboard!
DeleteTRIVIA QUESTION #1) Putting Jimmy G aside, what is Kyle Shanahan's combined total W-L record as OC/HC with these NFL QB's who are primarily pocket passers: CJ Beathard, Brian Hoyer, Nick Mullens, Matt Ryan, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins, and Matt Shaub?
ReplyDeleteANSWER: 55 W - 71 L
TRIVIA QUESTION #2) The 49ers defense was dominant during the 49ers 2019 Super Bowl season. Do dominant in fact, that the 49ers only lost a total of 4 games, including the postseason, during that season. How many of those 4 losses came against primarily pocket passing QB's?
ANSWER: 1 (a last second loss to the Falcons). The other 3 losses came against mobile QB's (Seahawks, Ravens, Chiefs).
This is not directed at anyone in particular on this site - more a statement about some of what I have seen on Twitter.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Fields, he has been the victim of a big hatchet job over the past few weeks/ months. The narrative around his desire, work ethic, intelligence, ability to go through progressions, etc was completely and massively overblown and unfair.
In the past week we have now seen, imo, a massive over correction of the narrative. Now, if you read Twitter, Fields sounds like the smartest, most driven, most intelligent, best pocket QB in the draft. This is equally ridiculous.
There was a reason people questioned certain aspects of Fields game previously. Yes, it went overboard. But the new narrative is just as silly - he still does have some legitimate concerns regarding his ability to process information quickly in the pocket, etc.
I also see people plumping up this report about him scoring the highest score ever from a well respected psychologist's aptitude test for professional athletes. To the point I saw one person tweet out that his test score is evidence Fields is the best fit for Kyle as it shows he can be a true extension of Kyle on the field, seeing what he sees, etc. (As a quick aside, this same person also previously scoffed at the idea Mac Jones was a good fit for the same reasons).
Context needs to be included within this aptitude test. Here is how Mark Sanchez, who broke the news, described it:
"They have a learning efficiency rating on there, so it's basically [about] acquisition -- like how many reps does it take until you get it, until you understand something -- and then your recall. Like, once you have it, can you bring it back and use it, right? That's basically what they're trying to figure out in that part of this test."
It is, primarily, a test of ability to learn and recall. Not a test of application. Not a test of intelligence. It is a very encouraging sign that Fields should have little difficulty learning a playbook. However, it is also worth understanding that you don't need to get top score in the aptitude test to be able to learn a playbook quickly and effectively.
And learning a playbook does not make someone a great processor of information on the field. One of the main concerns with Fields is that his film doesn't demonstrate he quickly processes information consistently on the field. Part of that may just be the offense he played in. Or maybe it is more than that. We don't know for sure, and a score on an aptitude test does not provide any additional insight to this.
Now I am not saying all of this to knock Fields in any way. I like him as a prospect. I think he has the most arm talent of any QB in this draft. But there are legitimate areas of concern with his game that aren't answered by an aptitude test.
Sorry Scooter, I am simply not buying what you are selling.
DeleteNot only do I not see it, but all of the people I most look up to about this stuff, including current NFL players and former NFL players .... none of them see it as a legitimate concern either.
Mac Jones gets a DUI and is subsequently cought with a fake ID, but that's somehow not equally as legitimate of a concern? Give me a break!
I'm sorry, but I'm with Richard Sherman, Steve Young, Jeff Saturday, Ryan Clark, and all of the other NFL players who have actually made a living playing this sport.
Unless you think all of these NFL scouts overlook this stuff, because they still rate Fields as the #3 QB prospect (as do NFL GM's), I think all of this nonsense is totally bogus.
Nothing backs this up. Not the stats. Not the level of competition faced. Not the W-L record. Not the big game performances. Absolutely NOTHING! Bogus, complete and utter BS, and frankly, it's getting OLD fast!
And you just became a great example of what Scooter McG was referring to in the over correction of the narrative. Fields is a great prospect but he has issues as they all do.
DeleteAnd BTW, one year's worth of game film was a huge red flag for the Genius, Bill Walsh.
DeleteBut Mac Jones, dad-body and all. A QB with as many DUI's as he has years worth of game film, is somehow a better prospect than Justin Fields and his 2 years of absolute jaw dropping dominance VS better competition?
What the heck is really happening here?
Notanexpert. I'm not saying Fields is the greatest prospect I've ever seen. What I'm asking is why there aren't there more question with Mac Jones? And what I am also saying is, NFL scouts, former players, current players, and GM's are all watching the same stuff, and the consensus is that Mac Jones isn't in the same league as a prospect as Justin Fields, so why are we pretending otherwise? It's getting flat out ridiculous!
Delete49reasons, what is it that you aren't buying from what I said? That Fields actually has some legitimate areas of concern?
DeleteIf he doesn't he should be the slam dunk #1 pick.
What I am not buying is that the questions about Justin Fields as a processor would outweigh questions about Mac Jones' character and a lack of athleticism. Maybe you are a QB savant, Scooter, and can predict whether a QB can't do something simply because he wasn't asked to do it much in college? Maybe you can understand why that could possibly be enough to scare off a HC/OC who has made a reputation as having a QB friendly system? Especially when there is so much Justin does at such at an elite level. How does speculating about whether Fields can handle processing outweigh questions about Jones' character and lack of mobility, especially in 2021? Please make me understand because I don't get it, nor do the majority of professional scouts, which is why Fields is considered the better prospect by the majority of scouts. I keep using the word consensus, because it means something. It's actually a tangible thing because it's a collective belief among a large number of experts in the field.
DeleteHas Kyle won a Super Bowl with a pocket passer? No. Has he won a Super Bowl with a physically limited college QB who has as many DUI's as he has years worth of game film? No.
DeleteHas his father? No, but his father has won 2 Super Bowls with athletically gifted QB's, one of which there were actually real questions about his ability to win from the pocket based on actual NFL game film (Steve Young with Tampa Bay).
Why aren't there more questions with Mac Jones? There is nothing but questions with Mac Jones. The overwhelming majority of people who have weighed in on the subject have criticized the 49ers for taking Jones...and it hasn't even happened yet. You know about the DUI because it was a talking point in the run up to the draft. Jones is being ripped apart by most so I have no idea what you are referring to when you make a comment like this.
Delete"What I am not buying is that the questions about Justin Fields as a processor would outweigh questions about Mac Jones' character and a lack of athleticism."
DeleteGreat. Please show me where I brought this up in my comment.
"Maybe you are a QB savant, Scooter, and can predict whether a QB can't do something simply because he wasn't asked to do it much in college?"
Straw-man argument alert. Never said this. Never intimated I thought this. Just pointed out it is a legitimate concern. But hey, maybe you are the savant and can tell he will be great at it despite limited evidence of it on film?
Seriously man, chill.
Wait a minute. Just when I am trying to understand all of this talk about Mac Jones, I come to find out that 49ers gave Nate Sudfeld a quarter of a million dollars in guarantees?
ReplyDeleteI thought Sudfeld was likely just a camp arm ... but $250 G's guaranteed ... now I am shook!
Both Johnson and Rosen have zero guaranteed money.
DeleteThis is what social media does. It's people on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook etc. vying for attention while playing fast and loose with information. As soon as the NFL gave access to the all 22 film somebody either media or former Coach I can't remember, said this was going to open the doors for fans and amateur film reviewers to inundate the internet with opinions and criticisms based on little to no knowledge of what they are actually seeing. Grant Cohn is a great example of this, but he's far from the only one. This leads to rumors and half truths being taken as gospel which is where we stand in regards to the 49ers pick at #3. It's now a foregone conclusion that they are taking Mac Jones in the eyes of most fans and pundits and the anger over it has begun before anyone even knows who the pick actually is. I don't know who they are going to take but I'm pretty sure whoever that guy is will have been thoroughly researched, interviewed and put under a microscope in the film room. At some point we as fans have to put our faith in the people who are getting paid to do this. I'm not a big fan of Mac Jones for the exact reasons that have been stated. I wouldn't even have traded up to draft a QB. But I'm just a nothing fan who hasn't put any work into this other than watching some cutups on youtube and reading what supposed experts say. The 49ers have put the time in to come to the decision they have and whether I agree with it or not, I know they come from a far greater area of expertise than I do. The best thing to do at this point is to just let it play out and hope they make the right decision because that is the only thing any of us have control over.
ReplyDeleteWhat is this reasoned and rationale thought? Who do you think you are?! :-P
DeleteLol yeah I know. I was a lurker for years reading only and then started to chime in here and there and got caught up in the back and forth to the point of arguing opinions that don't mean a whole lot at the end of the day. With the beginning of a new forum I figured it was time to take a different tact and try to see the big picture which features a lot of differing opinions.
DeleteI love my 49ers, but frankly, this Mac Jones stuff is just rediculous at this point. If they take this kid and he struggles in the slightest, I won't abandon my team, but I'll do everything in my power to be the first person to lobby for the firing of both Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch. That much I promise. Not because I disagree with Mac Jones at #3, but because everyone and their grandmother dissagree with Mac Jones at #3!
ReplyDeleteWith all due respect 49Reasons you have no power. Nothing you say or do will have any effect on the job status of Shanahan or Lynch. You take this way too seriously I think.
DeleteLol, that's true, but if I can change the mind of just one Forty Niner Faithful, that's good enough for me, Notanexpert. It's more about venting my enormous frustration, than it is about having power to get this 2 fired.
DeleteAnd BTW, I have a lot of respect for both of those guys. But ... If I'm basing part of my respect on the belief that Kyle is one of the best offensive minds in the game, then I better believe he can handle developing an enormous talent like Justin Fields. Kyle can't have it both ways. He's either a QB friendly HC who can elevate his QB, or he isn't, right? Taking the safe pick simply based on supposed system fit, as opposed to upside, when there are serious questions about physical ability, wouldn't impressive me one bit!
It's already pretty well known that he didn't do his due diligence in scouting QB prospects during his first season as the Niners' HC. Because of this they passed on Mahomes and Watson, and took an undersized interior DL with the 3rd overall pick. We are now going into his 5th season as the Niners' HC as he has 1 winning season and an injury prone starting QB to show for it. It's time to deliver the goods!
Fans see the trade as boom or bust. Who can blame them if the selection doesn't reflect that? I'm assuming that's their beef with Jones.
ReplyDeleteI picked Fields because I think he's just as smart as Jones. I'm not buying all the noise. Everyone of these guys come with question marks.
I picked Phillips because we need help while the studs heal. I picked Williams because he's really good, and he'll take some pressure off the rookie, while keeping Mostert and Wilson fresh. Same goes for Jordan, who can keep Kittle fresh. Then I added Darby to take advantage of Fields downfield passing prowess.
If you're like me, Razor, you also picked Justin Fields over Mac Jones because you think he has a higher ceiling, and with Kyle Shanahan, he has a HC who can likely get the most out of him.
DeleteI like Lance too. I'd be fine with either. Everyone knows I didn't want Jones, but like I said, he'll be successful because he'll have Shanny and a very deep team that's ready to win.
DeleteDo you think Mac Jones stands a better chance at long term success than Justin Fields, because rookies don't win Super Bowls, right? Shouldn't they run it back this year with Jimmy G, while developing the QB with the consensus highest ceiling? Doesn't that make the most sense, because they are in a rare position to win both this season, while potentially putting together a second dynasty moving forward?
DeleteThat's the approach I'd take. Unless the rookie beats him out in camp, which I don't see Jones or Lance doing. If it's Fields, I don't see how you don't start him, which means Jimmy gets traded.
DeleteIt was a good mock Razoreater. I would guess CB would be addressed higher than you have it but some good players in there.
DeleteAppreciate it, Expert.
DeleteI have Lance as my 4th best QB prospect. My top 5 rankings are a little different than yours, Razor.
DeleteMy QB prospect ranking are:
1) Trevor Lawrence
2) Justin Fields
3) Zach Wilson
4) Trey Lance
5) Mac Jones
With a few notes:
*I don't have as much separation between Lawrence and Fields as some do. I feel like these two QB's have been neck and neck for the number 1 ranking since high school, and the only reason I have Lawrence slightly ahead of Fields is based on Lawrence's height advantage, and long strides, but they are very close in my book. Plus, Fields badly outplayed Lawrence head to head.
*I love, L.O.V.E. love, Zach Wilson's arm talent and elite off-platform, off-schedule ablity, which do remind me of Mahomes. But he played VS highly inferior competition during his big 2020 season, especially compared to Fields, and he also has an injury history. I am not overly concerned about his injury history (shoulder) but it's worth noting. If he stays healthy, he has a chance to be great, although winning early with the Jets may be a real challenge.
*Lance has enormous talent, but we haven't seen him play on the biggest stage, and I do think his intermediate accuracy is a bit of a question mark.
*Mac Jones looks like the kind of system QB who benefitted so much with the system, and the players around him, that it's really hard to gauge most of his game. His physical limitations, including questionable throwing mechanics, has me thinking he's the least likely of the top 5, to be a real difference maker at the NFL level. He has as many DUI's as he has years worth of college game film.
If the 49ers have them ranked as you do, 49reasons then it would make sense that they have Simms Inc. do their pr work for Jones. I would call it, the ImMaculate Deception.
DeleteThat's true Razor. I am not sure Jimmy can beat out Justin Fields. If they are even close, then it would make sense to trade Jimmy and go with Fields.
DeleteBottom line: Justin Fields reminds me of a bigger DeShaun Watson, which I've also heard from other analysts, but with that said, I don't know for sure that Justin Fields is going to be a great NFL QB. What I do know is that he's more likely to be a great NFL QB when compared to Mac Jones, and you know what? It's not just me. That's the consensus among the majority of NFL "experts".
ReplyDeleteHonestly, if Kyle can't win with Justin Fields, well then he's probably not the QB whisperer that people seem to think he is. That's for darn sure!
Didn't RG3 win offensive rookie of the year under, Shanny and a pro bowl? I think Fields is a little bit more densely built physically, but they both have similar skill sets.
DeleteYes, but it seems like RG3 tried to do too much with his legs. Fields is an incredible athlete, but he's a passer first, not a runner who can pass. I feel like Fields is a stronger kid, and also a smarter runner as well, and I would emphasize the ability to slide whenever possible!
DeleteSeems to me that an athletic QB who is smart, looks to win from the pocket first and understands when to slide, actually stands a better chance of staying healthy. It seems like defenders never get a clean hard hit on guys like Mahomes, Russell Wilson and Kyler, because they are super athletic but also very smart runners. And for goodness sake .....get out of bounds when you can!
"Didn't RG3 win offensive rookie of the year under, Shanny and a pro bowl?"
DeleteInteresting point I hadn't considered.
Razor, as college prospects I completely agree with you that Fields and RGIII are very similar.
DeleteThat isn't a knock on Fields either. Yes, RGIII in the end didn't work out, but he was an excellent prospect. The reasons he didn't work out can in part be blamed on injury and ego, not talent.
In other words, if Kyle can't get the most out of the QB who has the consensus highest ceiling, then what's all the fuss about Kyle Shanahan, really? Bill Walsh would get the most out of Fields, no question in my mind. Remember, there were questions about Steve Young as a pocket passer, and he had NFL experience. That sure didn't scare Bill Walsh away now, did it?
ReplyDeleteEgo is a double edged sword. It's often what gets you accomplished but it can also become the enemy within.
ReplyDeleteVery wise, Razor, it can be a very fine line. I think the world of Kyle as a Head Coach, as a play caller, and as a designer of plays. I also think he's a very good motivator of men. Heck yah he has an ego, all of the best coaches do.
ReplyDeleteHowever I do think it's fair to question his ability to evaluate talent, especially in terms of making personnel decisions. That's an entirely different skill set, IMO.
Ego for sure played a role in the demise of both, RG3's and Kaepernick's careers.
DeleteBucky Brooks going with Fields to the 9ers at #3.
ReplyDeleteJack Hammer and Jessie Naylor had a great interview with QB coach Sean McEvoy who works with Quincy Avery at QB Takeover. That's the crew that has been working with Trey Lance in the draft prep, and scripted his pro day. They have also worked with Fields for a few years.
ReplyDeleteThey focused more on Lance than Fields, and really highlighted what makes Lance special. Big fan of the kid. Really think he will be the 49ers pick. I can imagine Shanahan being blown away in zoom meetings with him.
The interview is over on Jessie Naylor's YouTube channel, Last Second Sports. Highly recommend.
Didn't, Avery purposefully script some plays that the 49ers run specifically for his pro day? I'm hoping to hear he'll have a 2nd pro day that, Shanny will attend.
Delete@Scooter:
DeleteWhen Wentz was at ND State did he also call all of his own protections and option to tother plays as necessary, similar to Lance?
That's correct razor. Not just 49ers though. They took concepts from a few QB needy teams.
DeleteCubus, as per Robber's response, yes they all were given the same responsibilities. It is why, imo, NDSU QBs come into the NFL better prepared than most college QBs.
It was really interesting to hear in the interview with coach McEvoy that they've had coaches come in to work the whiteboard with Lance and in the end Lance was teaching them stuff more than the other way around. That level of football knowledge and understanding is rare at that level.
Scooter yes he is special and his football IQ is off the charts also when he described his trajectory that no one has off the eligble qb's is a big thing.
ReplyDeleteAnd his velocity.
My impression also Scooter that he would blown KS and JL away.
Think Fields doesn't posesse the football IQ of Trey what i get from the interview and not close.
Yes Razor they scripted plays from different teams.
True he should another one with our brass in atttention so that they see live that he is the one to take.
Cubus:.
ReplyDeleteOn if they had to talk Trey about balancing when to throw and when to run and on how he processes at the line of scrimmage
Hedberg: “To answer your second question first, no it’s the same that we have for Carson (Wentz and (Easton Stick) in are offense. We put a lot of emphasis on the quarterback processing at the line of scrimmage. With protections they have an option (to) set the protections more and more so than not, and then they have the option of changing protections also. But they also have we have a ‘kill’ system and a ‘maybe” system, which gets them into run-pass-pass to run-run-to-pass, whatever it is, based on different alignments of the defense. So, that’s part of our game also which I think the quarterbacks are really good at, but it’s no different we did the same with Easton and we did the same with Carson and your first question again.”
Thanks, Robber. Would you please provide the link for Hedberg's response.
DeleteHere you go Cubus
Deletehttps://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/what-ndsu-coach-had-to-say-about-trey-lance/HZDLWYHVVZBW7MTZ7KYQW4AXEE/
Per ESPN’s Chris Mortensen, Lance has scheduled his second Pro Day for Monday, April 19 — 10 days before teams select in the first round.
ReplyDeleteThe 40 yard dash is soon to be obsolete. Trey Lance clocked in at 21.54 via GPS tracker. Next Gen Stats said that would've ranked 12th among all ball carries, and first among quarterbacks last season.
ReplyDeleteBased on the interview with coach McEvoy it seems he believes Trey is a 4.5-4.6s guy. He's surprisingly quick/ sudden for a guy his size and once he gets in the open he rarely gets run down.
DeleteAnd he plays like a LB Razor and this young man wants to be the best and he puts the work in like the best.
ReplyDeleteSo this is what we have leftover from picks one and two.
ReplyDeleteSir LANCElot
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I suspect from the orators that any of the three can take the Niners to the SB in years to come.
Of the three, who do you see the rest of the division fearing most?
DeleteI wonder how many people actually know who the 49ers are taking. Let's see, Shanny and Lynch for sure. Big Shanny. That's 3. Maybe Peters is in that circle too, but I wouldn't bet on anyone else knowing.
ReplyDeleteNot Chris Simms? I'm shocked!
DeleteI would say Kyle, Lynch and Peters for sure. Mike Shanahan... maybe. I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle kept his thoughts on his preference from his dad to make sure he didn't inadvertently sway Mike's input, though I am sure they discuss what they do and don't like about each prospect.
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