Remember last year when the 49ers told, Bosa he's their guy if the Cardinals take, Murray? It looks as though, Shanny just told, Fields if the Jets take, Wilson, you're our guy. What do you think?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1383516297175044096 - Lombardi states that the 49ers will not be taking, Justin Fields according to his sources.
Just wait till tomorrow when Trey Lance had his proday in front of KS/JL maybe than we will hear more info, cant believe it would be Jones,my gut feeling says that Trey Lance slammed it especially in zoom calls and that confirmed what they heared from Quincy Avery and what the tape showed and that there isnt much seperation in terms of floor with Justin Fields and Mac Jones but that there is a significant difference in upside in favor of Trey Lance./
ReplyDeleteWhat if the Jets take Mac Jones? That could break the internet.
DeleteLol,they should make a statue than for the Jets ��
DeleteI think Fields is the odds on favorite for good reason, but Trey Lance is still a wildcard, no doubt.
ReplyDeleteI just don't know how Kyle can pass on Fields. He's the consensus #2, and all of the data suggests he's the perfect fit!
Assuming Lawrence goes 1, and Wilson 2, my odds for the Niners pick would look like this:
Justin Fields - 75%
Trey Lance - 20%
Mac Jones - 5%
That said, Kyle certainly has moles doing the necessary inside work/intel, so Lance could be higher.
Allen showed you can improve your accuracy last year, however it is an outlier. It's incredibly hard to do, especially if you don't have adequate time to do it. If Lance has to come into a game for Jimmy he'll revert right back to his poor mechanics just as soon as the bullets start to fly.
DeleteThat's exactly my concern, Razor, and having seen Fields do it at such a high level since his senior year in HS, he's also easier for me to project at the NFL level. However, there is a chance that Lance is further along than we realize, and who knows, maybe he really is a football savant? These are things Kyle would know better than us right now.
DeleteHowever, I'm yet to find any evidence to justify Mac Jones, considering how much the Niners gave up in order to move up.
At first I was a bit frustrated with all of the Mac Jones BS, but now I am actually enjoying watching ShanaLynch control the draft. They may end up playing this just right, and end up with Justin Fields, as well as the Patriots 1st round pick (15).
ReplyDeleteWatch this again 49Reasons:
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/ZSkQh4P99PE
He said it was better for Lance to work on the nuances instead of another year in college.
I would not understand if KS/JL would pass on Trey Lance.
Robber, trust me when I say that I see the raw talent and the gigantic upside of Trey Lance, I just don't know enough about his development over the last 15 months to put him ahead of Fields.
DeleteWould I trust Kyle's ability to polish him and get the most out of him fairly quickly? Heck yes I would. Other than the crazy long verbage, Kyle's system is very QB friendly. That's a fact!
Trey Lance just might have the highest ceiling of all of these prospects, I just haven't seen enough of him over the last 15 months. However, we know Kyle's guys have been working with him, so they would certainly know where he is at in his development.
Trading all of the way up to 3 and drafting Trey Lance would be the equivalent of swinging for the fences as far as I am concerned, and I can get on board with that in a heartbeat!
DeleteThe way I see it, whichever of these top 4 prospects gets drafted by Kyle, has the best chance at excelling at the NFL level, so why not swing for the fences?
Thanks for your positive reply 49Reasons ��
DeleteI listened to the Lombardi tweet. My take is that Fields isn't going #3 because the Jets are taking him and Wilson will drop to the 49ers. :)
ReplyDeleteI would jump for joy!
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ReplyDeleteHonestly though, if Fields is who he appears to be, and Kyle picks him, I don't know how the league will stop Kyle's offense. I can imagine the next level of Kyle's offense, and it's absolutely jaw dropping!
ReplyDeleteSame goes for Lance IF he is who we think he might be. It's just a slightly bigger IF for me at this stage. If that makes sense.
DeleteLance utilizes his mobility skills without leaning on them, unlike Fields.
ReplyDeleteLance stays much calmer and tries to manoeuvring the pocket
Let's see how Trey looks tomorrow, and pick up the convo again after that.
ReplyDeleteI might just be buying what you're selling, robber, you just might be exactly right!
GO NINERS!
Honestly, I believe Fields is the 3rd preference for Shanahan of the three expected to be available. I see two guys that fit what Shanahan likes to do, and Fields. I'm genuinely bewildered by why so many fans want Fields to ne the pick so badly. Is it because they believe Fields is a great fit for Shanahan's offense? Or because they think Shanahan's preferences in QB have changed that much? Either way, I don't get it.
ReplyDeleteIf Fields is the pick I'm good with it, but to me he seems the biggest projection of the three for running Shanahan's offense.
I don't know. The link posted yesterday by George where Warner and Rollins discuss Lance left me unimpressed with Lance. What bugged me the most was the amount of easy throws that Lance missed.
DeleteHis accuracy is an issue, that's true. Will come down to whether the team believes with coaching his mechanical issues can be fixed, and whether that will fix his inconsistencies. But the good thing with Lance is he shows mentally he is there, it is his mechanics that let him down.
DeleteIf they take Fields it is a sign that Shanahan values accuracy and athleticism more than pocket skills, and/ or that pocket skills can be developed. If that is his view, I can't explain some of his previous decisions at QB, or it is a pretty big departure from his past views.
Jones is an obvious fit. For mine, bar his accuracy issues, Lance is a fit too. To me, it is out of those two.
So what are the current issues with Jimmy besides availability? Fans complain about his deep ball accuracy and that a number of times per game, the ball sails over his receivers; also some WTF interceptions. I'm unaware of any issues regarding his ability to run the plays that KS calls, although there is concern that KS is not able to open his entire playbook for Jimmy. Have we seen Jimmy improve these weakspots. It seems like most QBs are never are able to, although Josh Allen seems to have been able to overcome most of the weaknesses he had in college.
DeleteThe question with Lance is not only can he improve his mechanics towards improved accuracy, but how fast can he do it? If the answer is 2-3 years; I don't think that matches up with where the team is right now.
DeleteThings for the 49ers to look for at his pro day.
DeleteI also disagree in some ways though. The question should be whether he can still be a good NFL QB while he develops.
@Razor. Agree, which increases the odds that they take Jones. Just hope that the Jets want Fields, so the 49ers can take Wilson.
ReplyDeleteThere's a reason so many experts think Jones is in play at 3.
DeleteThere's also reasons so many "experts" think Jones is not in play at 3 as well, Scooter.
DeleteIf KS thinks Jones is the guy then so be it. I won't have a problem with it, but I fear many fans will not allow him to have some growing pains before voicing their displeasure. I hope Jones is a mentally tough individual.
DeleteSo many that don't think he is in play? Who? Almost every NFL insider/ draft expert think Jones is a possibility there, and many believe the favourite. That info most likely isn't coming from the people that matter within the 49ers organisation, but there is a very good reason for the smoke, even if it is just speculation.
DeleteI mean, surely even you can accept that Jones fits what Shanahan wants to do very well. Even if you believe they should go a different guy.
IF Shanny does pick Jones the amount of scrutiny and pressure to perform will be higher than it ever needed to be. Maybe that's how Shanny wants it, but you gotta be careful cuz what you want isn't necessarily what you need. I know he'll get always have an oc job available to him in the NFL, so I'm sure that's comforting to him; but if Jones fails I don't see how his reputation ever recovers. I think he would be the poster child for fool me once shame on you. Cousins>Mahomes/Watson. Fool me twice shame on me. Jones>Fields/Lance.
DeleteDo you think Shanahan cares about that perception? I don't.
DeleteAnd I don't think he has completely changed the type of QBs he likes, either. Which is why I think Lance/ Jones are more likely than Fields to be the pick.
Scooter, 2 second thought and Bucky Brooks came to mind.
DeleteMarcus Spears
Jeff Saturday
Matt Miller
Colin Cowherd
Joel Klatt thinks Jones would be a reach
Benjamin Solak
Samuel Gold
Alex Rollins
There's a ton more, Scooter.
All of those guys have said Jones is not in play at #3? Or that they don't think he should be the pick? Very different things.
DeleteNot a perception. It would be a fact. The media would give them F's. The vultures would be overhead. Didn't need all that, but by giving up what they did; they've got no one to blame but themselves. Just makes it harder than it already is to succeed.
DeleteI know for a fact that Brooks has said no to Jones at #3 purely based on his belief the player shouldn't be picked there. Not based on anything he is hearing. And Miller has actually said he thinks Jones will be the pick, but that he wants them to take Lance or Fields instead.
DeleteRollins is also one that says no based purely on not believing the player is worth the pick, not on anything he is hearing. Also... are these all really NFL insiders/ draft experts? Maybe I should have said mainstream guys - the ones that actually have inside sources around the league.
Kyle Shanahan is not going to take the prospect with the consensus lowest ceiling out of the top 5 prospects.
DeleteNot gonna happen!
He's simply too good of a coach to spend that much draft capitol on a guy who was recently projected as a 2nd round prospect by many top scouts.
I keep hearing that Mac Jones makes such good decisions. Oh,
"He's such a great decision maker" ... but he's the only top prospect with a DUI, and a beer belly?
Absolutely rediculous! A bunch of phony baloney, that's what that is.
Talk about a walking contradiction.
Again, do you honestly think Shanahan would care about getting a draft grade of F from the media? Heck, I think he would relish it.
DeleteNot sure but the point is there are plenty of reputable "experts" that think Jones is absurd at pick 3. I not saying he's gonna be a bust cuz he'll have the games best play caller; but I do not believe he will be as good as some "experts" think or as bad as some think. I see his ceiling as the 15th best passer in the league. When you give up what you did to get pick #3, the ceiling needs to be top 5. This regime if it draft Jones will be doing so because they believe he's the best fit, not the best player.
DeleteThat's why I cautioned to be careful what you want. The added scrutiny and pressure is not helpful.
DeleteShanahan would relish being ridiculed? just so he can prove to everyone how he can win with the worst QB in his division?
DeleteYah, that makes a lot of sense, Scooter....rolling my eyes!
Kyle's not that arrogant!
"consensus lowest ceiling".
DeleteThis is true in so far as that is the broad belief. But man, I really take exception to this belief. Purely based on athletic talent. When did the ceiling for the QB position become based on athletic traits? That's what I find ridiculous.
Also... why is it that for every other position we accept that a player can improve with an NFL training regime, but for Jones we think his athleticism is what it will always be? If there is one QB in this year's draft that has the most improvement from a physical side of things, surely it is Jones. He's a decent athlete now despite clearly not spending as much time sculpting his body as some of these others. I'd imagine that with a year or two of NFL weights and training programs he will be able to improve considerably.
It's hard enough to win in the NFL, even when you aren't being publicly ridiculed after spending 3 firsts and a 3rd on the consensus 5th best prospect.
DeleteWe all know the odds are already against us, so why add the ridicule? Does Kyle want to be a laughing stock?
49reasons, what in Shanahan's history makes you think he isn't arrogant?
DeleteYeah, I think he would love nothing more than to show everyone they were wrong.
As long as that desire to prove people wrong doesn't cost us the next Mahomes, or Watson like it did with Cousins, ok, sure I have no problem with that, Scooter.
Delete@Scooter:
DeleteAgree with your comment regarding the NFL training program. How many times have I heard that when a college prospect gets into a NFL training program his physique and strength will improve, yet somehow these same people believe it can't happen for Mac Jones. It's a lame argument, imo. Hate on Mac for other reasons but surely an NFL program will improve his fitness.
Kyle? Oh he's arrogant, just not THAT arrogant. At least I, along with most Faithful, hope he isn't THAT arrogant! Then again, of he picks Mac Jones maybe he deserves the anger and ridicule!
DeleteTalk about moving sideways.
A lateral move and, oh, BTW, why would anyone think Mac Jones, the proverbial statue with a beer gut, stands a great chance of even staying healthy? Isn't that part of the reason for moving up this far in the first place?
SMH! BOOOOOOO
What is Mac Jones' excuse for his body type given the facilities at Alabama? Why was he unable to beat out Tua and Hurts who knew where the weight room was located? These are legitimate questions.
DeleteMac Jones .... BOOOOOOOOOOO
DeleteMac Jones "the great decision maker" (who also has a DUI).
DeleteLol, Booooooo
Have you guys ever been to a VAUDEVILLE? How about a COMEDY CLUB?
DeleteBoooooooo
If we're talking "inside" sources then why are we talking? This regime doesn't leak. Simms admitted that he purposefully "forgot" to talk about Aiyuk. All those "sources" are speculating just like the "experts". Nobody but 4 or 5 people know who the pick will be, and their lips are sealed.
Delete"What is Mac Jones' excuse for his body type given the facilities at Alabama?"
DeleteEducation. Jones not only completed his degree, he also completed his Masters. With a 4.0 GPA. Student athletes don't have the same amount of time as NFL athletes to focus solely on football and their body. Jones won't need to spend time studying anything other than football once he gets in the NFL.
"If we're talking "inside" sources then why are we talking?"
DeleteBecause there are sources other than the guys in charge. NFL insiders know people throughout the league. And those people know more than guys on the internet giving scouting reports and opinions on players.
Jones was a backup. He had plenty of time to work on his body.
DeleteThey know people throughout the league but they don't have any idea who the 49ers are drafting. No one does but, Shanny, Lynch, Big Shanny, Peters and maybe York. That's it.
DeleteThe facilities at Alabama I'm sure were great. But how many times have we heard from rookies about how they had to change their eating habits. It's probably more about that than it is weight training facilities.
DeleteYes, those are the only ones that know for sure. But scouts talk during the season. They know which guys the team was most interested in. They know the traits Shanahan has them looking for. The Jones to 49ers talk isn't completely dark arts. It is based on people putting things together.
DeleteAnd remember this - when the trade was first made it was immediately and vehemently believed by most of the main NFL insiders it was for Jones. That isn't coming from nowhere. He may not be the guy they take, but I find it very hard to believe the 49ers aren't interested/ don't like him.
All we know is he made time for beer. Priorities. Beer or weight room? Hmmm...
DeleteI think what we are glossing over is the fact that Jones' accuracy goes to pot if his feet aren't set, and he does not possess the arm strength to drive the ball to the sideline without getting to step into the throw. That's why I think he's a poor fit in this offense, and a better fit in Atlanta, Miami, or New England.
DeleteRazor he started sooner l than Wentz and Wentz isnt a bad QB.
ReplyDeleteThey worked on it and shortened his release and improved his footwork.
I still say there isnt much difference in floor and especially with Lance he has a huge chip on his shoulder and will be the best of the 3.
Last time i was zo enamored with a prospect who was in our drafting range was Patrick Willis.
If we're talking chips I'd say Fields should have the bigger one on his back, because he's been ripped the most. Makes me think he's the quarterback that other teams have the most interest in after Lawrence and Wilson.
DeleteHere is the most common reaction you would hear from Niner fans:
ReplyDelete"Mac Jones, after giving up all of that? Really Kyle .... really, that's your big expensive upgrade"
and then everyone would let out a big, collective belly laugh!
Why not just trade back down and draft the kid out of Stanford?
ReplyDeleteIt actually turns out that first round picks are actually worth something .... Who knew?
That's the part I don't get. If they draft Jones it's because they believe he's an elite processor and distributor of the ball. I don't think he is on Brees' level, and I have my doubts he'll get there even under Shanny. I'd love to not have to be proven wrong, but if I must, I must. Make me a believer, Shanny.
DeleteIf I was throwing to those BAMA WR's & RB's, from behind that offensive line, I'd make a lot of plays look easy as well.
DeleteAnd worst of all, it ends up that Mac Jones through the shortest passes and had fewest yards actually through the air per attempt.
I'm telling you guys, MAC JONES is AJ MCCARRON .... only without the multi-year accolades and experience.
There are really potentially 4 Blue Chip QB's in this class, right?
DeleteLawrence is the "Chosen One"
Fields is the "Prodigy"
And there is serious thought that Lance might also be "A Prodigy", with huge, gigantic upside!
Those two guys have been neck and neck since high school, while Lance is still sort of the unknown. Right?
Wilson had a crazy good year, after a sub-par first year and a half, so he's "Johnny Come Lately"
And Mac Jones is "Johnny come EVERY DRAFT" because he's exactly that .... the big Goofy Kid who looks out of shape, and takes bigger risks with his passes because his guys make plays the plays. They are THAT good!
Did you watch Mac Jones run at his pro day, lol. Go watch, he looks like a slow version of Daniel Jones. Remember when Jones had an 80 yard run to the house, that he faceplanted? Lol.
I am really not trying to dump on the kid. Mac Jones might very well be a good kid. I don't know. But a DUI while carrying a fake ID? Say what? That doesn't make Mac a bad kid, but what about bad judgement? And can you imagine of Fields or Lance had that on their record? Would we not be able to stop talking about it.
DeleteI figured it out. Mac Jones is a of combo clone of DANIEL JONES and AJ MCCARRON, if they were brothers, only without their two best traits.
DeleteAgain, Justin Fields in the semi-final this year .... an EPIC Justin Fields clinic, with broken ribs and a hip pointer!
DeleteI have to keep pointing to this QB's peak performance, right when he needed it the most. His performance in that game is already becoming legendary! That was only a few months ago, BTW!
So Fields was outrageously good VS Clemson, against their stout defense, an all-time gutsy performance in the semi's, but was fairly seriously hurt coming into the final VS Alabama, and the Buckeyes were simply overmatched by Smith and Harris.
I hated Sherman. Loved him on the team. Always thought he was really smart. Has a reputation for being smart. He says Fields. I think his opinion carries more weight than a lot of these "sources" or "experts" for most people, myself included.
ReplyDeleteRichard Sherman might not be on Kyle's side if he passes on Fields for Jones. That won't be great Twitter buzz, kind of the opposite. Fields is the featured QB on QB-Collective's home page, for crying out loud! He's the face of the QB camp.
DeleteSame with a majority of ex-players, and of course an unhappy majority of social networking Niner fans! Bad karma!
And, since when is the level of competition faced, not always a huge measuring stick in evaluation?
ReplyDeleteLet's face it, Zack Wilson wasn't exactly facing murderer's row! Nor was Trey Lance, and who did ND St play? although that's a bit harder to guage, IMO.
Mac Jones was never hardly under pressure, so how do we know? He's certainly not fleet of foot, in the least!
He was sacked no more than one time per game.
DeleteAnother telltale sign that the pick will not be Mac Jones is Mel Kiper. He said he's a lock to the 49ers.
ReplyDeleteI could see Mac Jones being a turnover machine, if I'm being honest. He doesn't even fully follow-through on his throws, likely below average arm strength. That right there makes things extra tough for the kid!
ReplyDeleteHard pass on Mac Jones, especially after giving up the farm.
You can't take the conservative pocket passe, game manager, Kirk Cousins' route in 2021, unless he's Tom Brady, and Mac is no Brady!
Can't do it! That's a fireable offense, IMO, unless it somehow, against-all-odds, works out.
Yah, I am really right with you Razor, as usual BTW.
DeleteAnyhow, I honestly can't stomach that choice, and I personally know my share of Niner fans who feel the same way I do. In fact it's the consensus. That's simply the way it is, likely because for us, Mac Jones hasn't suddenly gone from high second, maybe very back end of round 1, to trade up 3 1st and a 3rd for the kid.
I mean ..... REALLY? Mac Jones after all of that?
Why not just trade up to #6 from Philly? That's a lot cheaper. Can Mac Jones even beat out a healthy Jimmy G?
ReplyDeleteLynch needs to get Shanny to understand the balance between being a pocket passer while also having the reactionary improv skill to make a play. Both Fields and Lance can throw to every level from the pocket, and can be taught to operate Shanny's offense just how he wants it done.
ReplyDeleteWith all the complaining about who the QB the 9ers should draft, this article seemed apropos......
ReplyDelete* Being a Football Fan Stinks...Let's journey together through a decade of 49ers related disappointment.
AND CAN YOU BELIEVE IT, SOME HOW, THE FRANCHISE SURVIVED!
https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/being-a-san-francisco-49ers-fan-stinks
We'll all know who the QB the 9ers draft is, when Goodell announces his name! Until then, all the rest is just NOISE!
I believe Wilson or Lance cuz they can work the pocket and stay calm also they are pretty good off platform and have a strong arm they had a lot of roll outs and play action screams KS offense
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