Rumors are circulating with the latest being the Niners are inquiring what it would cost to move up in the draft. Here we look at just what that strategy might look like:
San Francisco Receives:- 2024: Round 1, Pick 21
Miami Receives:- 2024: Round 1, Pick 31
- 2024: Round 3, Pick 94
- 2024: Round 5, Pick 135
- San Francisco Receives:
- 2024: Round 4, Pick 121
Denver Receives:- 2024: Round 4, Pick 124
- 2024: Round 6, Pick 215
My Selections
Washington
Clemson
Oregon
Penn State
Utah
Michigan
Oregon State
Air Force has a term called the OODA Loop. Observe, Orient, Decide, Act and it's a decision making model. This is exactly what an NFL quarterback does as it pertains to processing, which leads us to conclude that playing the position is 50% mental, 20% physical and 30% supporting cast.
ReplyDeleteMoving up to me makes a lot of sense. They're going to have something around 15 maybe 20 guys they have 1st round grades on, so if they want one they need to move up. And they don't have a lot of open roster spots for a large draft class to make sense.
ReplyDeleteSo yeah, if a guy they like falls to the early 20s I absolutely could see them move up.
Agreed.
DeleteRazor,
ReplyDeleteWOW this would be a great draft. Maybe a little too great. They would need a lot of very good luck to have all of those players still available at their picks.
Appreciate it Coach.
DeleteI agree. Best one I've seen so far. First 3 picks will likely receive good playing and Fautanu could become a starter during the season.
DeleteThanks AES. Looking forward to seeing Lynch cook in a couple weeks.
Delete49ers sign CB Rock Ya-Sin to a 1 year contract
ReplyDeleteI wonder what Scooter thinks about the Niners maybe looking a Ya-Sin as a Safety.
DeleteHas he ever played safety?
DeleteI think he stays at CB and is part of the camp competition to start oppositeWard. He's the type of physical CB that fits what they do.
What it does though is make me think (a) the chances of Lenoir shifting to slot have increased, (b) the chances of drafting a CB high have decreased (Ward, Lenoir, Thomas, Luter, Womack, Yiadom and Ya-Sin is already good competition and depth) and (c) the 49ers continue to fill out the roster pre-draft, which would fit with the rumours of the 49ers looking to trade up.
Scooter, you think Ya-Sin can play outside? I don't.
DeletePretty sure that's where he's played most of his career to date, isn't it?
DeleteYea, but he barely played last year and he never was that great in coverage was he?
DeleteAccording to John Chapman Ya-Sin can play outside so I stand corrected.
ReplyDeleteLombardi:
ReplyDelete-The 49ers want Deommodore Lenoir in the slot (Staley might want Demo to be the "Star"). Isaac Yiadom and Rock Ya-Sin additions buy SF that flexibility.
I find that fascinating....
Thomas, Womack, Luter and Ya-Sin...somebody ain't making the roster.
ReplyDeleteI think Thomas is gone but Luter or Womack could end up on the vets PS if they clear waivers. If Ya-Sin makes the final 53 they should try to keep one quality CB on the PS, Ya-Sin is injury prone
DeleteYea, I'm not sure Ya-Sin makes the roster but more of fire to light under their draft picks. Durability seems to be the theme this year moving forward.
DeleteExactly my thoughts razor. He's there to compete for a roster spot and (hopefully) push the younger guys to fight harder to keep their spot.
DeleteThomas and Womack are my players that move on.
ReplyDeleteThey'll draft a cb too because everyone in the secondary but Brown as far as starters go are signed beyond this year.
DeleteMaybe, maybe not. They certainly have flexibility there now. I also strongly suspect either Lenoir or Ward will get extended before the season starts, using some of Armstead's cap saving.
DeleteDon't you mean not signed beyond this year?
DeleteYes, Coach. Thanks.
DeleteScooter, looking like Ward will be too expensive as I suspect Banks to be as well.
DeleteYeah, Ward will probably be tough to keep. Which makes me think Lenoir is the more likely candidate to get extended.
DeletePer Barrows: Ya-Sin started one game last season in Baltimore and played 279 snaps on defense. He's mainly been an outside cornerback over his career. ... He played 149 snaps of special teams last season.
ReplyDeleteAnyone have a prediction for a 49ers head scratcher pick this year? The player we are left wondering after the draft as to what they were thinking taking that player/ position so high?
ReplyDeleteBoth round and player.
My pick is Guerendo in the 3rd round. Though that's a bit of a cop out - 3rd round reach at RB is now a tradition.
I hope its not Rosengarten at 31.
DeleteYeah, an OL reach feels like a possibility.
DeleteScooter,
ReplyDeleteI don't think an early RB pick is a head scratcher. CMC's age, Mitchell"s health and the fact that he is a FA after this season makes a RB like Guerendo a solid pick. On that subject check out L. Krueger's youtube on Guerendo, he thinks he might be the future FB. I really don't see a surprise head scratcher position. OL yes, DL yes, LB Yes, DB yes, RB yes, WR yes, TE maybe. I guess the only position that would shock me is PK or P. On another subject has anyone heard what Ya-Sin signed for?
If the football gods want Wallace to be a Niner and I had to bet, he's my pick for going in round 3.
DeleteOC, you don't think a RB that will be a 24 year old rookie, that still has relatively limited experience (only one season of significant play), questionable instincts, and some people think may be a FB, would be something of a head scratcher in the 3rd round?
DeleteLet's just say if they do it, they're going to want it to work out after wasting 3rd/ early 4ths on Williams, Sermon and TDP.
Scooter
DeleteNot that it's a head scratcher, but if JL and KS draft a RB in Rd #3 I want them to draft Trey Benson Florida St.
I could also see drafting Braelon Allen, Wisconsin in the 4th Rd as JUSZCZYK FB replacement when he retires.
GEEP, drafting a FB would definitely be a head scratcher to me. You don't carry two FBs on the 53... so if they draft one with Juice still around then they'll likely just end up cutting the draft pick after TC, unless they can also play another position.
DeleteScooter
DeleteSorry, I didn't explain what I was think....I'd trade Mitchel (too much time on IR), and Mason also. KS doesn't play him much, so Allen would be the 3rd RB until Juice retires. The forced pay cut indicates that may not be too far in the future?
I don't think either guy will get you much if anything in a trade. And I like Mitchell as the #2 RB.
DeleteI feel any RB you draft with an eye to being a FB probably isn't capable of being the RB in this system.
Scooter
DeleteI didn't explain what I was thinking. I would trade both Mitchell and Mason. Mitchell spends too much time on IR and KS must
have a reason why he doesn't play Mason.
Benson would be CMC's back up and Allen would be the 3rd RB
until Juice retires. After the 9ers forced him to take a pay cut,
that may not be too long after 2024 season?
I agree Juice is on the way out in the near future.
DeleteBenson I'd be fine with in the 3rd, to back up CMC.
My comment was more about Allen in the 4th. I would be surprised if they drafted a FB. And the idea a FB could be the 3rd RB doesn't quite work for me. Backup TE, maybe.
No word on the numbers yet for Ya-Sin.
ReplyDeleteScooter,
ReplyDeleteI thought you were talking about head scratcher picks by position not specific players. I agree Guerendo might be a stretch in the 3rd round. My point was it wouldn't surprise me if they picked a RB in the third. That being said Guerendo as a FB could be a very interesting pick. If he can be an effective blocker he could be a threat running and catching the ball. His stats might look like Rathman. He could be the first real offensive threat at FB in a long time. I would love to see what kind of creative ways KS would use him in the 12 formation.
Yeah, I meant player and/ or position. And I didn't necessarily mean a surprise either, a RB in the 3rd wouldn't surprise me at all - they do it all the time. 🤣 But unless it was a top guy that fell, taking a RB again would be a head scratcher imo given who they have on the roster.
DeleteI like Guerendo and agree with what you say about him (except I am not convinced he is a lead blocking FB). But yeah, 3rd round would be far too early imo.
Isaac Hodkins, Oregon St., looked like he could play FB.
DeleteAverage Yards Per Game when they all played together at Georgia in 2021:
ReplyDeleteAdonai Mitchell*: 35.5 yds/g
Jermaine Burton: 41.4 yds/g
Ladd McConkey: 29.8 yds/g
*True Freshman
My takeway - that Georgia roster was stacked.
DeleteBreaking: #49ers are in talks with CB Deommodore Lenoir regarding a contract extension, per source.
ReplyDeleteYeah, this seemed a likely move.
DeleteAiyuk understands the game - unfollowed the 49ers on insta. Wouldn't be shocked if an official trade request is incoming. Modern day contract negotiations.
ReplyDeleteDeja vu
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ReplyDeleteRazor / Scooter
ReplyDeleteBesides Aiyuk, what draft picks do you believe the 9ers would have to give up to entice NE to trade draft pick #3, so they could draft LSU WR Malik Nabers?
Far too much for me to even consider it.
DeleteGeep/Scooter
DeleteHow bout Aiyuk for NE's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks?
OC, if it genuinely looks like they won't be able to get a deal done with Aiyuk, I would be good with that deal. And can probably look to move up in round 1 as well as use day 3 picks to move around day 2.
DeleteI don't think the Niners will take anything less than a top 20 pick and a 3rd for Aiyuk.
DeleteRazor, would you take #20 + #119 from PIT for Aiyuk? Or #24 + #87 from Dallas?
DeleteReason I ask is from the old draft trade value chart, those deals give approx. equivalent value as the NE offer suggested.
For mine that is around the floor of what I would accept in return.
Yea, that'd be fine. I just want another pick in case the one I get for Aiyuk doesn't work out. 24 and it becomes problematic for me as you're getting to the point where there might not be a player with a first round grade at that point.
DeleteI think the most underrated WR in this draft class is Javon Baker. I came away really impressed after watching him. A far more savvy WR than I expected him to be. Sets DBs up well and excellent at creating space at the catch point. Good feet and hand fighting to throughout the route.
ReplyDeleteAnd really good at setting himself up for YAC with movement just before and immediately after the catch.
He's a 3rd round target which means they could take him at 63.
DeleteI believe he should have a 2nd round grade anyway. There are a few guys I see ranked above him on most boards that I would have him ahead of.
DeleteYea, I would rather have him over Corley.
DeleteHonestly, there's a bunch of guys listed as round 2 prospects I would take him ahead of. Coleman, Wilson, Corley... even Legette and Franklin. He was much better than I was expecting.
DeleteIt is a bit of a horses for courses thing though. Depends a bit on the type of WR you're after. But if the 49ers want a WR than can get himself open on the outside and create his own space, plus be a guy Purdy can throw 50-50s to, he's the guy I'd consider.
Lynch and Foerster in Washington talking to Jed Fitch.
ReplyDeleteSaw that. Everything they are doing suggests OL will be a priority this draft.
DeleteFrom what I gather they worked out Rosengarten.
DeleteQuestion then is - do they see Rosengarten as a late first/ early second round guy and a fit at 31, or are they looking at him as a day 2 target? I hope the latter, but think it may be the former.
DeleteHadn't realised Fisch was Jordan Morgan's coach last season at Arizona, too. So they get to see Fautanu and Rosengarten work out, plus talk to Morgan's coach, all in one visit.
DeleteExactly right on both posts, Scooter.
DeleteUnless the 49ers can trade up for mid 1st rd player they really covet, I would like to see them trade their 31 for a 2nd rd along with a higher 3rd or early 4th. There is plenty of talent in the 2-4th rd that can be had. But, of course, much will depend on the Aiyuk situation.
ReplyDeleteAES,
DeleteI have been saying the same thing for awhile now. I just don't see anyone at 31 who knocks my socks off. I think there may be a desperate trade partner at 31 who will want to jump back into the 1st round for a QB and they might give up load of picks. Lastly I think this might be the best rounds 2 thru 5 draft in a long time. Earlier I made a similar post and someone responded that the 9ers won't have that many spots available on the 53. That is true but the more picks we have the better the chance that we hit the jackpot in rounds 2-5 like Kittle, Warner, Mitchell, Greenlaw, Hufanga, Lenoir, Brown and Samuel. That doesnt include their 6th and 7th round picks.
Yeah, that was me OC, regarding not a lot of spots. I stand by it.
DeleteFinding guys like those you mention also requires opportunity, to some degree. Day 2 picks will get those opportunities, sure, but late round picks may not on a stacked roster.
I'm not against moving back a little to get an extra day 2 pick, but I would also rather the team takes the best fit of a group of similar talents rather than trade back and see the guy they'd prefer get taken. Basically, only trade back if you really don't see a guy you want at that spot, or are confident they will still be there later.
Also, if they do trade back for more picks, they may as well use some day 3 picks to move around on day 2 to target guys they want, or get better picks in future years.
Javon Solomon reminds me of Elvis Dumervil.
ReplyDeleteQuestion. Could Aiyuk be worth the Steelers #20 and #51 picks in a trade?
ReplyDeleteThat would be more than the Raiders gave up for Davante Adams, a player many at the time of that trade considered the best WR in the NFL.
DeleteSo I doubt it.
Especially when you look at what the trade market for WRs has looked like this offseason.
Yeah, the market on WRs has taken dip. But if the Steelers want R. Wilson and J. Fields to succeed, giving them weapons is paramount. Aiyuk could be attractive if Steelers want to make some noise in 2024. What would you consider a return value for Aiyuk?
ReplyDeleteBasically what I outlined previously/ above regarding the floor I would accept. But I also think that's close to the ceiling from a trade partner perspective. And quite possibly above what teams are willing to part with.
DeleteI hear you Scooter. But in regards to Adams, he may have been a little flexible because of his desire to play with his college QB, Derek Carr. I believe that if Aiyuk is adamant about not working out a deal with the 49ers, things could get very interesting in the next couple of weeks.
ReplyDeleteNot sure what you mean by the above. I don't think the Packers gave a discount on what they were after to trade Adams just because Adams wanted to play with Carr. I expect that was the best offer they could get.
DeleteIf Aiyuk really pushes to leave, I fear the 49ers may have to accept less than what I indicated, or run the risk of holding onto a disgruntled player.
Brandon Aiyuk Close to Leaving NFC West:
ReplyDelete* "BREAKING: Brandon Aiyuk has officially requested a trade from the 49ers, per confirmation from my San Francisco source.
https://www.si.com/nfl/cardinals/brandon-aiyuk-close-leaving-nfc-west-san-francisco-49ers#:~:text=There's%20been%20a%20handful%20of,team%20according%20to%20John%20Frascella.
* Since it's "LYING SEASON" I belive nothing that I hear (or read), and
1/2 of what I see....but if true, this an escalation by Aiyuk!
* So, if true, who do you believe will give the 9ers the best draft picks?
WHICH NFL TEAM WOULD GIVE THE 9ERS THE BEST TRADE FOR AIYUK?
ReplyDelete* IMO, Aiyuk is worth a top 15 draft pick. Trade value chart = 1050
* PITTSBURG: I doubt they would be willing to give pick #20 to the 9ers, so they'd have to trade all of their draft picks, except # 20. NO DEAL LIKELY!
* CAROLINA: No 1st Rd picks, but do have picks # 33, 39 and # 65.
#33 and #39 = 1090, but I doubt Carolina would give up both.
#33 and #65 = 845 points. Would the 9ers accept this offer, or would they also want a 2025 draft pick?
* The Patriots have pick #3, but will not be willing to trade it. They
also have picks #34 and #68 that = 810 points, but again, would the
9ers be willing to accept the offer, or want additional picks in 2025?
* The chargers have pick # 5, but I doubt they'd be willing to trade it.
They also have picks #37 and #69 = 775 points. If the 9ers won't
accept either Carolina or NE's trade offers, they'll likely refuse the
Chargers.
* ARIZONA: The Cardinals my have the ability to make the 9ers an
offer they can't refuse, but will JL and KS trade Aiyuk of another team
in the NFL West?
Arizona has draft pick #4 and #27. They won't trade #4, but may be
willing to trade #27 along with # 35 (1230 points), if the 9ers give them #63 (276 points) IN RETURN and a total of 950 points in trade value for the 9ers.
* FEEL FREE TO OFFER YOUR OPINION(S) ON WHAT THE AIYUK OUTCOME WILL BE!
My opinion on the Aiyuk outcome is he won't be traded before or during the draft.
DeleteScooter
ReplyDeleteAs I stated in my post, it's "LYING SEASON!" I believe nothing that hear (or read) and 1/2 of what I see! But you have to admit, if Aiyuk has asked for a trade this an escalation by Aiyuk?
* If Aiyuk refuses to play until he gets a new contract, should the 9ers trade him? Or should they keep him and fine him until he plays?
Deebo did exactly the same thing. Said he didn't want to play for the 49ers. Unfollowed the 49ers. Tried pushing for a trade just before the draft.
Delete49ers didn't blink. They ended up getting the extension sorted.
I expect they'll take the same tack this time with Aiyuk. And if they can't find a resolution by the time TC is winding down, they'll either play hard ball and fine him if he doesn't participate under his current deal (actually they are now obligated by NFL rules to do so), or find a trade partner then.
DeleteWhich is why I would recommend they draft a WR earlyish this year regardless of Aiyuk.
Scooter
DeleteI don't like the "hard ball" scenario.
* The 9ers could end up with a disgruntled star player that could split the locker room and become a distraction. * The 9er FO could also end up in a position where they can't trade him for what he's worth (Like the Bills did with Diggs).
And yes, I know Diggs is 30 Y/O and Aiyuk is 26 and and still
an ascending player.
* As I understand it, the 9ers have offers for Aiyuk. IMHO, if the 9ers can't get him signed by the time the draft starts, they
should take the best offer they can get and trade him.
* Deboo, as we both know, did not have a good season after
he held out.
It's a tough call.
DeleteQuestion for you though GEEP - do you want the 49ers to keep Aiyuk, or would you prefer the draft picks you hope they can get in return?
Because that's the crux of the situation for the 49ers. If they really want Aiyuk and think he's better than what they'd get in return (incl. cap space), they'll keep him in the hope they can work out a deal. Like they did Deebo.
As I have said previously, if I was in charge I would probably trade him. But I don't believe the 49ers will, because I think they value him more than what they'd get in return, so long as they can agree to a deal that isn't ludicrous.
Scooter
DeleteYou sir, are correct! IT IS A TOUGH CALL. But that doesn't answer your question!
* What I would "LIKE" is Aiyuk accept what (I believe), the 9ers can afford, around $25 Mil. P/Y, but everything looks like he wants something in the $30 Mil. P/Y.
If the 9ers have made the decision that $25 Mil. is their last,
best offer, then IMO, they should accept the best trade offer
assuming it is a reasonable offer (the Arizona offer I listed in
my previous post is, IMO, a reasonable offer.
I was on YouTube around noon before I left to watch the Warriors. I saw a thumbnail that said Aiyuk's agent was saying that the trade rumor/announcement had not come from them. The agent said the reporter needed a new source.
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ReplyDeleteTKS. That's good news...